Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[johnny karate]

Defending 1st amendment rights of an odious organization is not the same as defending the odious organization.

Hat tip to fishbob

I completely agree. The government should not abridge the free speech of Nazis, or anyone else, no matter how odious an organization they may be.

Just not sure what this has to do with the discussion in this thread...

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

A ridiculous article which I think begins to show the problem with fascist hysteria.

That was almost Onion-worthy. This one is much better.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

LOL, this is fantastic.

Yeah, it's hilarious. I remember when he changed it.

 

[The_Animus]

Why help them procreate?

Because they have a right to do so?

Why let them eat? Should we ban them from grocery stores too?

 

[johnny karate]

Because they have a right to do so?

Why let them eat? Should we ban them from grocery stores too?

I feel like any private business should have the right to ban members of violent hate groups.

 

[The Big Dog]

Not all people. Just the hard core Trumpers, several of which are posting on this forum. These are the people who get incensed when they are called Nazi-sympathizers for being sympathetic to the Nazis of Charlottesville.

I completely agree. The government should not abridge the free speech of Nazis, or anyone else, no matter how odious an organization they may be.

Just not sure what this has to do with the discussion in this thread...

one example out of numerous

 

[johnny karate]

That was almost Onion-worthy. This one is much better.

When "antifa" or any left wing extremism becomes a threat on par with right wing extremism in this country, that analysis might be meaningful.

Until then, it's just more hysteria-validating smoke and mirrors.

 

[johnny karate]

one example out of numerous

What does that comment have to do with free speech or the abridgment of it by the government, other than then fact that uke2se was expressing it?

 

[The Big Dog]

What does that comment have to do with free speech or the abridgment of it by the government, other than the fact that uke2se was expressing it?

please don't be deliberately obtuse

 

[Oystein]

Charlottesville victim's mother: I won't speak with Trump

In his specific remarks about Heyer, Trump has been effusive in his praise, calling her “beautiful and incredible” and “a truly special young woman.” But his comments on the protest, Heyer’s mother said, are unforgivable.

“I hadn't really watched the news until last night and I'm not talking to the president now, I'm sorry, after what he said about my child,” she said. “And it's not that I saw somebody else's tweets about him. I saw an actual clip of him at a press conference equating the protesters like Ms. Heyer with the KKK and the white supremacists.”

*waiting for trump to slam that bitch on twitter*
*waiting for our in-house nazi enablers to decry that mother's right to call the President an unforgivable ********

 

[johnny karate]

please don't be deliberately obtuse

Are you incapable of answering simple questions in defense of your position?

 

[sunmaster14]

Excuse me? You do realize that they are not referring to their place in the demonstration, right? Just what places in society do you think should be off limits for Jews such as me and yourself?

The antisemites on the right believe that Jews are in control of everything and cynically make people of color their "stormtroopers" against the white, non-Jewish race. They believe that Jews seek to undermine the whiteness of the country so as to ensure their own safety (since Jews have historically been persecuted by white Christians) and continued control. They blame Jews for the immigration policies that have ensured whites will be less than 50% of the American population by 2050 or so. They blame Jews for affirmative action and for perceived reverse racism. So when they chant (I think - this is based in educated guesswork on my part), "Jews will not replace us," they mean that they won't let the powers that be in the country (i.e. Jews) undermine their status in this country as the majority and dominant ethnic group.

Actually, the antisemites on the left agree that Jews are in control of everything. So there is common ground there.

Now, to be fair, antisemitic conspiracy theories are quite natural given the astonishing outperformance (in terms of wealth, political power, education, and eliteness generally) by Jews (at least Ashkenazi ones) in virtually any society they make their home. I am agnostic as to whether this outperformance is due to culture or genetics or some combination. I am quite certain it is not due to any worldwide Jewish conspiracy, however. If it is, I'll be very annoyed for not having been invited to any of the meetings.

 

[The Big Dog]

*waiting for our in-house nazi enablers to decry that mother's right to call the President an unforgivable ********

Are you incapable of answering simple questions in defense of your position?

Oh look another example.

 

[The_Animus]

I feel like any private business should have the right to ban members of violent hate groups.

I think legally they can*. I just think it's silly. They're not using it with the intent of furthering their political goals or to organize rallies. They're just trying to find someone to love and be with like anyone else.

And it's not like they work there and to some extent represent the company.

*It could be argued in the courts that such bans are retaliatory action which has a chilling effect against freedom of speech, assembly, and the right to protest.

 

[johnny karate]

Oh look another example.

Okay... what does that have to do with free speech? What's your point here, TBD?

 

[jimbob]

What good things did Confederate generals/politicians do that are meaningful enough that we should memorialize them to this day?

Well, ordering Pickett's Charge probably shortened the Civil War.

 

[johnny karate]

I think legally they can*. I just think it's silly. They're not using it with the intent of furthering their political goals or to organize rallies. They're just trying to find someone to love and be with like anyone else.

And it's not like they work there and to some extent represent the company.

*shrugs*

Again, we're talking about violent extremists. If a private business banned members of ISIS or al-Qaeda, I wouldn't be concerned about that either.

*It could be argued in the courts that such bans are retaliatory action which has a chilling effect against freedom of speech, assembly, and the right to protest.

I'm not seeing how any of those things are under threat by a dating website denying membership to white nationalists.

 

[The Big Dog]

Okay... what does that have to do with free speech? What's your point here, TBD?

Oh my, you really don't understand? That is quite remarkable.

You see there have been people here in this thread attacking other posters and labeling them things like " in-house nazi enablers" merely for supporting the "odious" groups' right to free expression.

I would have thought this was blindingly obvious, but I guess not.

 

[johnny karate]

Oh my, you really don't understand? That is quite remarkable.

You see there have been people here in this thread attacking other posters and labeling them things like " in-house nazi enablers" merely for supporting the "odious" groups' right to free expression.

I would have thought this was blindingly obvious, but I guess not.

Oh okay, you're just whining that people are calling you mean names. I thought maybe you had a substantive point to make. My mistake.

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh okay, you're just whining that people are calling you mean names. I thought maybe you had a substantive point to make. My mistake.

That is without a doubt the single most ridiculous, mendacious response I have seen in a long, long, long while.