Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[Oystein]

I judge people by their actions, not their beliefs. And being an ignorant ass is insufficient to decide that a person is completely evil. Sorry, but I really do avoid condemning entire swaths of people on the basis of their thought crimes.

The question was:
Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, EC, go to a rally organized by White Supremacists, using Nazi symbolism, shouting racist and Nazi slogans?

This IS a question about the ACTION of people: Marching in a protest organized by Nazis, invited to by Nazis, under a slogan that calls for the Unity with Nazis, next to Nazi symbols, and in lockstep with people shouting anti-semitic slogans and racial slurs.

Please judge people by THAT ACTION:
Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, EC, go to a rally organized by White Supremacists, using Nazi symbolism, shouting racist and Nazi slogans?

Please answer Yes or No. For there really is no other option. Unless you do not have a moral compass at all.

 

[johnny karate]

I see. And those were the only people who showed up?

I'm going to assume you're not a white nationalist. That assumption being made, how many white nationalist rallies do you attend in year? No need for an exact number. Just give me a rough estimate.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

I see. And those were the only people who showed up?

Will you stop it with the wrongthink already?! Everyone who went to the rally saw that exact same flyer, there were no other subgroups and no locals showed up, and they are all self-avowed nazis to the core and were all marching lockstep the entire evening. The counter-protestors were carrying teddybears and singing John Lennon's Imagine.

 

[dudalb]

These Trumpian, rugged individualists sure do get triggered easily.

WIth some of them, I think they are angry at themselves because they are starting to realize just how badly they were taken in by Don The Con Man.

 

[crescent]

Some of the people there were marching in protest of the statue being removed.

Not everyone who opposed the removal of that statue is a Nazi.

How the hell hard is this?

I see. And those were the only people who showed up?

Pretty much. If Nazis and the Klan hold a rally, and a person shows up, that person has no claim to innocence.

By definition, anyone there was there to support white nationalism, because that was the very clear stated purpose of the rally. That's who organized, that's who made the signs, that's who applied for the permit, that's who led the chanting.

If a person was there, then that person was a white nationalist. Actions count. "Action speak louder than words" is not just a cliché.

 

[Checkmite]

I see. And those were the only people who showed up?

No. Anti-nazi counter-protesters also showed up.

 

[johnny karate]

Will you stop it with the wrongthink already?! Everyone who went to the rally saw that exact same flyer, there were no other subgroups and no locals showed up, and they are all self-avowed nazis to the core and were all marching lockstep the entire evening. The counter-protestors were carrying teddybears and singing John Lennon's Imagine.

Same question to you: Assuming you're not a white nationalist, how many white nationalist rallies do you attend in year?

 

[Oystein]

You keep editing...

What's the point of answering your questions when they're based on a false premise?

What false premise?
My only premise is that this rally was organized and registered and invited to by Nazis, and that these Nazis marched overtly with Nazi symbols shouting Nazi slogans, thus making it perfectly clear that this was a Nazi rally.
Anyone on that side, participating in that side of the protest was participating in an overtly nazi rally.
Is that premise wrong? Explain how!

I don't give a crap what symbols they're showing, no more than I care about people waving around crosses or american flags, or wearing che guevera shirts. I don't care what they're saying when they are in public spaces and within their rights to free speech. I don't care what they believe, or even what they preach. I care about whether they violate the rights of other people.

Ok, thanks for admitting that you are a conscious and willful nazi enabler.

Although I merely asked if, by your moral standards, that is what "very fine people do".
You answer seems to be "yes", as you can't make yourself answer "no".

Good night.

 

[Emily's Cat]

The question was:
Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, EC, go to a rally organized by White Supremacists, using Nazi symbolism, shouting racist and Nazi slogans?

This IS a question about the ACTION of people: Marching in a protest organized by Nazis, invited to by Nazis, under a slogan that calls for the Unity with Nazis, next to Nazi symbols, and in lockstep with people shouting anti-semitic slogans and racial slurs.

Please judge people by THAT ACTION:
Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, EC, go to a rally organized by White Supremacists, using Nazi symbolism, shouting racist and Nazi slogans?

Please answer Yes or No. For there really is no other option. Unless you do not have a moral compass at all.

Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, support the use of threats and violence to deprive other people of their rights?

Seriously, I'll echo a sentiment from earlier in this thread: This is the first time I've been pressured to virtue signal. And it's such a blatantly obvious slippery slope here.

So, regardless of the topic or the cause, if the group organizing it is a bad group according to most people, then anyone who shows up to that event is also a bad person, and it's impossible for any of them to be fine people, because it was organized by bad people. This is awesome. Next time I want to make sure some rally fails, I'll just go around plastering up info saying it was organized by the KKK! Easy win! I mean, seriously, then anyone who shows up is, by definition, a bad person! This is a fantastic tool to get whatever I want by shaming people into fearing guilt by association!

Seriously, this is almost as brilliant as the inquisition. Did you study with them?

 

[Emily's Cat]

I'm going to assume you're not a white nationalist. That assumption being made, how many white nationalist rallies do you attend in year? No need for an exact number. Just give me a rough estimate.

None so far. Although, to be fair, I haven't been to ANY rallies of any sort.

That said, if for some unfathomable reason, a pile of racist bigots were to organize a rally for something that I truly held dear and had great devotion to, I'm not going to let their idiocy stop me from taking a stand.

 

[caveman1917]

Cool, a witch-hunt

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I judge people by their actions, not their beliefs. And being an ignorant ass is insufficient to decide that a person is completely evil. Sorry, but I really do avoid condemning entire swaths of people on the basis of their thought crimes.

This is a personal conviction of yours. Fine. However, you have also recognized others' right to do the thing you choose not to do yourself:

By all means, look down on them when they actually say those things. Judge them harshly to your heart's content.

And yet you seem to be arguing very strongly against those of us who do exactly that, seemingly judging our harsh opinions as being vaguely wrong on some level, inferior to your own views.

ETA: Actions may speak louder than words, but that doesn't mean words are mute. To not consider a person's words is, in my opinion, burying your head in the sand. You throw an absolute wealth of information about a person into the trash when you purposefully refuse to consider the things they say as part of their character.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Same question to you: Assuming you're not a white nationalist, how many white nationalist rallies do you attend in year?

No need to answer, since the question is irrelevant. But thanks for assuming I'm not a white nationalist. That must have stung a bit.

 

[johnny karate]

None so far. Although, to be fair, I haven't been to ANY rallies of any sort.

That said, if for some unfathomable reason, a pile of racist bigots were to organize a rally for something that I truly held dear and had great devotion to, I'm not going to let their idiocy stop me from taking a stand.

Wow... okay.

And if you do attend a white nationalist rally, what benefit of the doubt do you feel you are owed by people who might judge you for that?

 

[Belz...]

Well this thread has taken a turn for the worst really quickly.

 

[Oystein]

Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, support the use of threats and violence to deprive other people of their rights?

You are trying, but badly failing, to pull a tu cuoque on me.
I did not ask you if very fine people "support the use of threats and violence" on the Nazi side.

I asked if "very fine people" march alongside overtly nazi white supremacists.

My straight answer to your question, by the way, is simple: No.

But if you ask: Do very fine people march against Nazi white supremacist scum when miltant distractors are also there? Then the answer is equally simple: Yes.

I see that you have no moral compass, and are thus unable to answer ethical questions, which reduces you to have become a nazi enabler.

So again, good night.

Next time I want to make sure some rally fails, I'll just go around plastering up info saying it was organized by the KKK!

You would by lying, while it is perfectly true that this rally was, in fact, organized by White Supremacist scum, the invitations were overty nazi style, and everything they did and shouted there was overtly nazi.

So once again, you "tu cuoque" fails badly.
You are too intelligent not to understand that yout equivocations do not fit.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Ok, thanks for admitting that you are a conscious and willful nazi enabler.

And we're right back around to this crap. I'm not falling in line with the mandate to froth at the mouth and condemn an entire group of people based on their beliefs... therefore I'm a Nazi enabler! Yay!

How long before I'm also a sexist because I'm not vehemently opposed to every single topic ever brought up by an MRA idiot? For the record, I support the argument that courts unfairly award primary custody to women. Pretty sure if I keep this up, you guys will award me an honorable sex change so you can condemn me as a full-fledged evil white male.

 

[Oystein]

Seriously, this is almost as brilliant as the inquisition. Did you study with them?

I studied nazis and their enablers.
I call them out. Soon, loud and often.

 

[johnny karate]

No need to answer, since the question is irrelevant.

It is if you're going to make the asinine argument the people other than white nationalists would attend a white nationalist rally. But your concession is noted.

 

[NoahFence]

Hillary would have been worse.
Thank FSM that we didn't have to deal with a president that got really grumpy and irrational once a month.

Know what I'm saying guys!