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sunmaster14 said:
I have put my good (IMHO) reasons out there for peer review. Why not address them instead of using apophasis to try to smear your interlocutors?
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This is clearly a very intense thread with enormous numbers of posts per day. I am under no obligation, nor do I have the time, to respond to all the posts with which I might disagree. I respond to the ones I believe are most interesting.
 
Okay, in looking over the past few pages of this thread I am certain that a lot of this stuff will soon end up in AAH.

Farewell!!!
 
sunmaster14 said:
Pfft. The usual innuendo ... How about debating with logic and reason and emotional detachment instead?
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Excellent suggestion. You should try it sometime.

I would also suggest you learn more about both twenty-first and twentieth-century history. That would help you to avoid illogical and unreasonable statements such as:

sunmaster14 said:
Like I said before, the reason Antifa scares me more than the Nazis do is that Nazis don't seem intent on physically harming Jews qua Jews.
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Tony said:
:crazy:

Sure thing. Whatever you say Nazi.
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Grade A retort.

Not a word out of you about the Nazis who killed a woman in Charlottesville, but boy oh boy, you don't spare the rod on those gosh-darned SJWs do you?
 
Tony said:
And muslims have been killing far more people in streets around the world for longer. Your lack of hysteria on that is telling.
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There is a big difference. Islam is one of the largest religions on the planet and has its extremists. So does Christianity.




Most of the people I work with are Atheists and Agnostics, but there are also devout Christians, Hindus, and many Muslims, both Sunni and Shia (of the people whose religion I know). None of the Muslims are remotely interested in instilling any type of theocracy. They are Islamic, they are not Islamicist.

I respect someone's right to their religious or ideological beliefs as long as they don't consider those beliefs give them more rights than anyone else.

There are devout Muslims whose humanitarian actions are inspiring and who base their actions on their faith. Ditto for devout Christians. Both religions as interpreted by their adherents can have good points.

White supremacy has no good points. It only inspires hate.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
What's next? Sawing up babies is wrong?
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If there was a prolonged discussion here about how people opposing sawing up babies included those who were bank robbers and that bank robbers were the ones we really had to worry about, I probably would consider making a comment, yes.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Three years ago, Christopher Cantwell, (seen here sniveling about being a mistreated Nazi), ...


... came to the attention of Stephen Colbert.
Free Keene Squad Robin Hooders interview with Stephen Colbert



:sdl: Losers.
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Didn't I see "the Mastermind" walking with the Nazis in Charlottesville?
 
Giordano said:
Gee, you appear to not have read the part of my post where I made it clear that I am not accusing anyone here of being a Nazi. And I don't believe anyone here is a Nazi. And that I have never accused anyone here of being a Nazi, or a racist for that matter. You may be unhappy with the posts of others, but here you are clearly replying to MY post! Calling me a racist is completely uncalled for.

I am glad you appreciate my reminder that thinking Nazis aren't all that bad is a no-no! No problem! I would never have thought it necessary, but somehow in following this thread I came to believe that is was relevant and important.
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For the record, we have at least one Nazi posting here, probably more. The people pushing the alt-right narrative in this thread are at best Nazi-sympathizers.
 
jimbob said:
Er, there was no innuendo. However, if you find yourself equally blaming Nazis and people protesting against them, you *should* examine your moral compass.
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Well, first of all, the Nazis (most of whom I suspect know little about the real Nazis of the past, let alone speak German) decided to have a rally and jumped through the legal hoops to get a permit for one. It was not they who confronted somebody else's rally. If these misguided (and frankly pathetic) losers want to have a rally, I don't care, and I would stay far away. If they start showing up to disrupt other people's assemblies, then I would want the police to crack down on them hard. Second, it appears to me quite possible, maybe even likely, that the government (both the state and the city) encouraged a confrontation in order to have an excuse to shut down the rally. To me, that would be a very serious violation of the Nazis' civil rights. Which concerns me not just out of principle, but because there is a rather steep and slippery slope in play.

Some Anti-fascists are bad, most are good.
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I suspect that anybody who actually self-identifies as an anti-fascist is probably a violent *******. I am anti-fascist, as well as anti-communist, but I would not self-identify as one. Just as I wouldn't self-identify as anti-criminal or anti-child molester.

All white supremacists are bad, many are Nazis, all of whom are bad.
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It's a bad ideology, but until he commits a crime, I don't think a white supremacist or a Nazi is bad enough to throw in jail, let alone beat up.

If you are attending a white supremacist march as a supporter, you are supporting something for which there are no redeeming features. You are supporting something bad.
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And what if you are supporting somebody's right to attend a white supremacist march as a supporter? How bad is their support?

I can't see how one can support Nazis without being a Nazi.
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Once again, you are running into a problem with induction. Is a Nazi's mother a Nazi by virtue of her love for her child? Is a Nazi's childhood friend a Nazi, if he doesn't renounce his friendship?
 
trustbutverify said:
Quit your pathetic whining.
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Pathetic Whining is something all these Alpha Male Angry White Men are very good at..........

I love the way he seem totally unaware of why Nazism is considered so evil...which meand he is like his hero, Donald Trump:Ignorant of history.
 
uke2se said:
So the anti-fascists, who's raison-d'étre is to stop fascism are as bad as the fascists? This makes sense to you somehow?
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What fascism are they stopping, exactly? We are in no danger of having the NN/WS take over the government and establish a nationalist authoritarian rule.

If the Nazis disappeared, the anti-fascists would too. If the anti-fascists disappeared, nobody would stand up to the Nazis.
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Do we really need to stand up to the Nazis in the way that antifa does? Couldn't we just 1)Ignore them since they are a small group and have no political clout or 2)Protest them through non-violent means?

I keep hearing about how antifa is "fighting fascism" but then I have to ask: what fascism?
 
Ane I think we really need to remember not all anti Fascist protestors are Antifa. Antifa is the more militant ,radical element,and, to be honest, some them are raring for a fight with the "fascists". (Their targeting is often faulty).
The Charolitsville difference is this, there were peaceful anti fascist demonstrators, but as far as I could see almost all of the right wing crowd were thugs. As someone said, if you really were only protesting the taking down of statue cour cultural reasond, you have taken one look at that Torch Parade on Friday and got the hell out of there.
 
uke2se said:
Not a word out of you about the Nazis who killed a woman in Charlottesville, but boy oh boy, you don't spare the rod on those gosh-darned SJWs do you?
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This is the first time someone has actually pressured me to virtue signal. I figured it would obvious (at least to rational people that weren't tripping on their own self righteousness) that I would be against the Nazis.
 
xjx388 said:
What fascism are they stopping, exactly? We are in no danger of having the NN/WS take over the government and establish a nationalist authoritarian rule.

Do we really need to stand up to the Nazis in the way that antifa does? Couldn't we just 1)Ignore them since they are a small group and have no political clout or 2)Protest them through non-violent means?
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1.That is what people were saying in Germany in 1933
2;Yes, and a number of people in Charlotteville were doing that.
I have no great love for Antifa,having seen the Anarchist Wing at work in Berkeley,and my fondness for the Hard Core Marxist wing is very limited...but compared to the Nazis and the Klan......
 
xjx388 said:
What fascism are they stopping, exactly? We are in no danger of having the NN/WS take over the government and establish a nationalist authoritarian rule.
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Of course not. Not with a president who so forcefully rebukes fascists who kill people on the streets.

Or did you just wake up from a week-long coma and are unaware of what happened last weekend?

xjx388 said:
Do we really need to stand up to the Nazis in the way that antifa does? Couldn't we just 1)Ignore them since they are a small group and have no political clout or 2)Protest them through non-violent means?
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1. Sure. Ignore away. Worked for the people of Germany in the 1920s and 30s. 2. Yes, and there were many non-violent protesters in Charlottesville. When they were attacked by the Nazis, antifa showed up and helped them.

xjx388 said:
I keep hearing about how antifa is "fighting fascism" but then I have to ask: what fascism?
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The fascism we saw displayed in Charlottesville last Friday and Saturday, and which Donald Trump seems to be fine with.
 
Tony said:
This is the first time someone has actually pressured me to virtue signal. I figured it would obvious (at least to rational people that weren't tripping on their own self righteousness) that I would be against the Nazis.
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No, it's not obvious, because you took the time to rail against SJWs and Muslims in a thread about Nazis killing people.
 
dudalb said:
1.That is what people were saying in Germany in 1933
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There's always a whiff of Germany 1933 in the air. Remember the Obama as Hitler posters, or the Bushitler signs? The people making and carrying those ones were idiots, I think we'd all agree.

But this time around you hear the goose-stepping getting louder. Sorry, the Chicken Littles of the past have inured us to the Nazi comparisons.
 
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