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Take it to the other thread where we can discuss whether Churchill or Stalin was the bigger monster.
 
The Big Dog said:
You and me both
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The people in the article you linked were executing Polish nationals?

Also, the massacre you linked to took place in 1940. The Soviet union didn't join the Allies until 1941.

How unsurprising that a fanboy of Confederacy memorials has such a loose grasp of historical facts.
 
jimbob said:
Take it to the other thread where we can discuss whether Churchill or Stalin was the bigger monster.
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You brought up Churchill right here in defense of your "democratic" position on the subject matter. Hence we can discuss him right here. He sure loved the fascists for opposing the jew-communists at least.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Could you cut out the one-sided attack. Yes, the hard left is bad and so are the hard right, but right now the hard right is a bigger threat. But yes, we should not forget the hard left.
Some of us get it, but we doubt whether you get it.
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I was replying to a post. Please feel free to ignore what I write, because to be perfectly honest, posts like the above from you are getting rather annoying.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Wrongthink!!
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That is not an argument.

I'd disagree here, which I guess somehow makes me a racist.
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No, and I will be willing to listen to you, but if it involves that you hate the other side, you don't have to start. BTW I do the same to those on the left, who hate the right side.

So if you can do it in a rational and civilized manner, bring it on.
 
The Big Dog said:
I was replying to a post. Please feel free to ignore what I write, because to be perfectly honest, posts like the above from you are getting rather annoying.
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Okay, so you only like to attack one side of two bad sides. But since you will defend my right to free speech, I will continue.
 
Oystein said:
There certainly are people in the antifa that stick that label to themselves who are not "real" Scotsmen. I mean Americans.

Parts of the European antifa are as antisemitic and as antidemocratic as their fascist counterparts. I have little doubt this is true for the new US antifa as well.
In my opinion, this has become so bad over here, that those "non-hard-left" marching with the antifa are as anti-democratic as those "non-hard-right" who are marching with nazis.

This is not do say that democrats should not counterprotest nazis just because antifa does. Just don't walk together.
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I have seen the Antifa Anarchists at work in Berkeley, and their main goal at an anti Trump rally seemed to be to do as much damage to businesses on the street as possible. A number of the legit demonstrators tried to stop them .
Also have no love for the Maoist and Trotskyite groups in Anfifa since they support a totalitarian system that has proven to be just as murderous as the Nazis. Mao is probably a close third to Hitler and Stalin in the "Worst Mass Murderer In History" contest.

So in way Trump might actually have had a point. But he ignored one little fact :it was the Nazi/Klan faction who killed somebody and his whole rant obviousl was trying to put the blame on the left.
 
johnny karate said:
The people in the article you linked were executing Polish nationals?

Also, the massacre you linked to took place in 1940. The Soviet union didn't join the Allies until 1941.

How unsurprising that a fanboy of Confederacy memorials has such a loose grasp of historical facts.
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Oh, please, you are not trying to whitewash Uncle Joe also?
The Katyn Massacre is an established fact. In 1940,the Soviet executed a large number of Polish soliders. When the Germans uncovered the site during Operation Barbarossa,they heavily publicized the fact as propaganda. (That the Nazis were engaging in much more massive slaughter at the time they piously denounced the Katyn massacre is one of the most WTF pieces of Hypocrisy in history).The Soviets said that the Germans killed the officers and then tried to blame it on the Russians. But post war,it was established that the NKVD did it, and in 1990 the Russain Government admitted Stalin had ordered it.
I don't get the point you are trying to make;although I don't like COnfederate fanboys anymore then you do. But then as the old saying goes, the Devil can Qupte the Bible for his purposes....
 
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Tommy Jeppesen said:
That is not an argument.
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It wasn't meant to be an argument, just a quick joke implying that the view you expressed is not allowed in the current discourse.

No, and I will be willing to listen to you, but if it involves that you hate the other side, you don't have to start. BTW I do the same to those on the left, who hate the right side.

So if you can do it in a rational and civilized manner, bring it on.
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Not sure why you bring up the hate requirement, but Ill say that I don't really feel hatred towards others very often. Frustration, maybe, at times.

Why do I think the crackpot left, antifa, communists, etc. are more dangerous than the crackpot right, white supremacist, nationalists, etc? There are a couple of reasons. The first is that in recent history in the US, the former have resorted to violence much more often and have acted out against free speech with all of the university stuff, the stuff at trump rallies, and even some previous white supremacist/nationalist rallies that would likely have been peaceful had they not arrived. So, yeah, armed thugs beating those that disagree = bad.
White supremacists haven't generally been doing that. Sure, they did in Charlottesville, but of course that should be what anyone should expect to start happening as a response to the antifa happening of the past several years.

When the KKK/White supremacists start exposing their views, you can debate them and take apart their ideas. When antics does, m you better shut up or you'll get a jackboot to your skull.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
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Why do I think the crackpot left, antifa, communists, etc. are more dangerous than the crackpot right, white supremacist, nationalists, etc? There are a couple of reasons. The first is that in recent history in the US, the former have resorted to violence much more often and have acted out against free speech ...
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Where are your cut off for recent history?
 
NoahFence said:
AND what actions are good? Specifically
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Obviously, it's fodder for a different thread, but he has been good on removing burdensome regulations, good on legal immigration (I like his new policy to prioritize people who are likely to add to our standard of living rather than detract from it), good on illegal immigration (down dramatically just from his jawboning), and generally good on foreign policy. Most of his accomplishments have gone unnoticed. He escalated Operation Inherent Resolve and expanded its focus to include bombing Iranian-backed Shia groups, and he sent an aircraft carrier to Haifa, Israel to dissuade Russia, Iran and Hezbollah from stirring up trouble on the Israeli border. He has begun arming Syrian Kurds, despite the fact that our backstabbing "ally" Turkey objects. His handling of North Korea is going pretty well. I think he has decided on a strategy to ratchet up the tension and keep North Korea's military on alert, which will drain their meager resources. And in the main, he seems to have credibility when it comes to threatening military force, unlike his predecessor.
 
dudalb said:
Oh, please, you are not trying to whitewash Uncle Joe also?
The Katyn Massacre is an established fact. In 1940,the Soviet executed a large number of Polish soliders. When the Germans uncovered the site during Operation Barbarossa,they heavily publicized the fact as propaganda. (That the Nazis were engaging in much more massive slaughter at the time they piously denounced the Katyn massacre is one of the most WTF pieces of Hypocrisy in history).The Soviets said that the Germans killed the officers and then tried to blame it on the Russians. But post war,it was established that the NKVD did it, and in 1990 the Russain Government admitted Stalin had ordered it.
I don't get the point you are trying to make;although I don't like COnfederate fanboys anymore then you do. But then as the old saying goes, the Devil can Qupte the Bible for his purposes....
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Nothing in your post addressed anything in my post.
 
Maybe we should discuss the merits of communism versus Nazism when a violent hate group starts waving the hammer and sickle as its emblem. Those who turned up to protest the removal of the statue of a traitor to the USA did so under the flag of the Nazi's and the flag of a 'state' that fought for the preservation of racial slavery, I would say their viewpoints are crystal clear and they aren't championing any economic ideas the Nazi's or the Confederacy might have had.
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
Why do I think the crackpot left, antifa, communists, etc. are more dangerous than the crackpot right, white supremacist, nationalists, etc? There are a couple of reasons. The first is that in recent history in the US, the former have resorted to violence much more often and have acted out against free speech with all of the university stuff, the stuff at trump rallies, and even some previous white supremacist/nationalist rallies that would likely have been peaceful had they not arrived.
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Please provide the data - preferrably from a law enforcement source - that demonstrates left wing extremism is more dangerous than right wing extremism.
 
The Big Dog said:
Because it was a bit silly, yes?
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What was silly? You comparing someone punching a Nazi to the Soviet Union executing Polish nationals? Or you thinking the Soviet Union was a part of the Allied Forces in 1940?

Trick question. They're both equally silly.

Yes
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The anti-Nazi protestors in Charlottesville were raping the Nazis they were protesting against?

Also, good job. You finally got the timeline correct. You must have learned it by looking at a statute, because apparently that's the only way we preserve history.
 
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