Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

snoop_doxie said:
Do you have any examples of good anti-fa?

Why did you bring a bike lock professor to this discussion?

Please bring your antifa to the discussion about Charlottesville VA.
If you can.
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The answers to the questions you ask should have been determined by review of the post to which I was replying
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Do you have to hate?
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It's a normal human reaction when someone seeks to eradicate entire groups of people which include your family and friends.

BobTheCoward said:
What is the difference?
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Asking that is disingenuous. You know there is a difference. Your.... unique views... just have you dismissing the difference as irrelevant, or perhaps semantics. In any case I find the argument as silly as responding to everything on this entire forum with the 'nothing can ever really be proven' argument.

Tommy Jeppesen said:
The first are bigots.
The latter are generally not bigots, expect towards bigots.

As it is written in both cases it is about getting rid of people.

Now I am against all forms of bigotry, so again. You take on the first and I take on the latter and then we switch.
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The cleansing the streets in both statements was referring to the bigots desire to cleanse the blacks, Jews, etc. But I can see how it could be read as cleansing the streets of the bigots.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
They are both Authoritarian but have different view on humans. My personal bias results in me getting the communists more than the Nazis, tho I disagree with both on their views on humans.
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Who wrote this?

What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.
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The_Animus said:
Asking that is disingenuous. You know there is a difference. Your.... unique views... just have you dismissing the difference as irrelevant, or perhaps semantics. In any case I find the argument as silly as responding to everything on this entire forum with the 'nothing can ever really be proven' argument.
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I didn't dismiss the difference or say that something can't be proven. I didn't make a claim. I asked you a question.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
They are both Authoritarian but have different view on humans. My personal bias results in me getting the communists more than the Nazis, tho I disagree with both on their views on humans.
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Yes, although it is a bit of a stretch when some say that Stalin wasn't that bad.

Communism can't work, and it is inherently vulnerable to hideous abuse - but at least the aim is... for want of a better word, utopian.

Fascism has no redeeming features.
 
jimbob said:
Yes, although it is a bit of a stretch when some say that Stalin wasn't that bad.

Communism can't work, and it is inherently vulnerable to hideous abuse - but at least the aim is... for want of a better word, utopian.

Fascism has no redeeming features.
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From Wikipedia

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.
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Preparation for armed conflict and economic difficulties would be the equivalent redeeming features.
 
Nazis are horrible, the worst.

That said, the overwhelming bulk of antifa I have witnessed or interacted with have a remarkable ability to expand the definition of fascist with a neat little rhetorical device where they call you a "collaborator."

Generally, no review or appeal of this decision can be made and the conditions for being deemed such are surrounded by myth and legend. Do not place this card in the discard pile, your turn ends immediately.
 
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trustbutverify said:
Marx. Yes, there is a powerful river of Jew-hatred running through the core of Leftist philosophy, as I've pointed out countless times.
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And orders of magnitude more threatening to me than the antisemitism coming from the right. As I have pointed out countless times. I would sooner walk into a den of Illinois Nazis and debate their antisemitism with them than I would with a bunch of Communists or Antifa or SJWs on the campus of Yale University.
 
jimbob said:
Yes, although it is a bit of a stretch when some say that Stalin wasn't that bad.

Communism can't work, and it is inherently vulnerable to hideous abuse - but at least the aim is... for want of a better word, utopian.

Fascism has no redeeming features.
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Agree.
 
BobTheCoward said:
From Wikipedia



Preparation for armed conflict and economic difficulties would be the equivalent redeeming features.
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I don't regard those as redeeming features. Heaven's Gate believed in preparing for the mothership* but that wasn't a redeeming feature of their beliefs.


We know that liberal democracy can survive an existential threat, Britain** managed it in WWII so the totalitarian regime is unnecessary, and worse than almost any possible problem it addresses.




*May not be precisely true, Darat, but their beliefs were something along those lines

**Other countries managed it too, but weren't under such a threat as the UK.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I didn't dismiss the difference or say that something can't be proven. I didn't make a claim. I asked you a question.
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And I don't believe that you don't already know the answer but simply disagree that there really is that difference or that it matters.

Same game, different thread. No desire to play.
 
Bwahaha.

Neo-Nazi Christopher Cantwell — who was one of the “Unite the Right” Charlottesville marchers interviewed by Vice.com — released a weepy, rambling video of himself discussing the fact that a warrant was issued for his arrest.

“I called the Charlottesville Police Department,” Cantwell said, “and said, ‘I have been told there’s a warrant out for my arrest. They said they wouldn’t confirm it but that I could find this out I could go to a magistrate or whatever.”

“With everything that’s happening, I don’t think it’s very wise for me to go anywhere,” he continued. “There’s a state of emergency, the National Guard is here!”

He kept breaking off to wipe away tears, saying, “I don’t know what to do. I need guidance.”
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Tommy Jeppesen said:
In the end communism is cosmopolitan and about world peace, where as fascism is about war between countries and who is the best.
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Plus, if you're a communist you get to wear those cool, red Che Guevara tee-shirts!

Also, I'd change your post to say "in the beginning communism is cosmopolitan and about world peace"...
 
jimbob said:
I don't regard those as redeeming features. Heaven's Gate believed in preparing for the mothership* but that wasn't a redeeming feature of their beliefs.


We know that liberal democracy can survive an existential threat, Britain** managed it in WWII so the totalitarian regime is unnecessary, and worse than almost any possible problem it addresses.




*May not be precisely true, Darat, but their beliefs were something along those lines

**Other countries managed it too, but weren't under such a threat as the UK.
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You permitted "aim" for Communism to be counted as a feature.
 
sunmaster14 said:
And orders of magnitude more threatening to me than the antisemitism coming from the right. As I have pointed out countless times. I would sooner walk into a den of Illinois Nazis and debate their antisemitism with them than I would with a bunch of Communists or Antifa or SJWs on the campus of Yale University.
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You do that. I wouldn't bet on the outcomes though.

But to be fair it will vary depending on your race, gender, sex and so on.
So turn up a black transgender gay Jewish man and report back to us.
Then do the same as a white cisgender straight rich christian man and report back to us. :)
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
In the end communism is cosmopolitan and about world peace, where as fascism is about war between countries and who is the best.
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This strikes me as rather simplistic. To the extent Communists preached world solidarity, it was a ruse to help spread revolution (usually by violent means). Hitler may or may not have wanted to take over the world, but world domination is not intrinsic to Fascism as it is to Communism.
 
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