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Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

The_Animus said:
"We hate blacks, Jews, gays, muslims, and immigrants and think they should be cleansed from our streets"

And

"We hate those who hate blacks, Jews, gays, muslims, and immigrants and want them cleansed from or streets"

Are not the same.

Like how locking someone up in jail who kidnapped and held a person in their cellar isn't the same.
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What is the difference?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Nazis had a lot of economic ideas.

That is my point. Violent ethnocentrism is a more apt title than Nazi.
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Not while they're giving the frickin hitler salute, carrying swastika flags and crying like little girls about Jews.

But hey, the actual nazi government had to deal with economic issues, too. So these children in Virginia must be totally different according to your comically :confused: standards.


Uh, no.
 
Lol at someone calling antifa real American patriots!

They routinely burn the American flag and believe the whole American nation is rotten to the core and needs to be destroyed and replaced with communism. They are violent Bolshevik terrorists and infinitely worse than white nationalists.
 
BobTheCoward said:
What is the difference?
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The first are bigots.
The latter are generally not bigots, expect towards bigots.

As it is written in both cases it is about getting rid of people.

Now I am against all forms of bigotry, so again. You take on the first and I take on the latter and then we switch.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Lol at someone calling antifa real American patriots!

They routinely burn the American flag and believe the whole American nation is rotten to the core and needs to be destroyed and replaced with communism. They are violent Bolshevik terrorists and infinitely worse than white nationalists.
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So go fight them. Report back your findings. Or crawl back under whatever pile of **** you people come from. Either or.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Okay, I will fight on your side and of course we win?!! Then what about the peace? It has been going on since the Civil War, more than 150 years. How do you propose we stop it for going into yet another round besides this one?
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My side again. Assuming you still mean "not a Nazi," what do you mean by "win?" How can a side defined by everyone not of an extremist ideology be considered to "win" over that extremist ideology?
 
Foolmewunz said:
We're discussing "dueling protests in Charlotteville". You're trying to distract by Tu Quoqing, as usual. There are threads on those topics.

And I think we can settle on the obvious. "Antifa" is short fo "Anti-Fascist". So, yeah. They are the good guys. Fascists not good; fascists bad.

SNIP
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You manage to contradict yourself in two sentences.

There are plenty of examples of bad anti-fa, the worst part being their fanatical attacks of free expression and their violence as evidenced in this thread.
 
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NoahFence said:
Not while they're giving the frickin hitler salute, carrying swastika flags and crying like little girls about Jews.

But hey, the actual nazi government had to deal with economic issues, too. So these children in Virginia must be totally different according to your comically :confused: standards.


Uh, no.
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Taking Nazi symbolism without adopting some of the most significant details does not make one a Nazi.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Lol at someone calling antifa real American patriots!

They routinely burn the American flag and believe the whole American nation is rotten to the core and needs to be destroyed and replaced with communism. They are violent Bolshevik terrorists and infinitely worse than white nationalists.
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Racists have a horrible idea and plan.
Communists have a good idea, but horrible plan.
So the racists are worse.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
My side again. Assuming you still mean "not a Nazi," what do you mean by "win?" How can a side defined by everyone not of an extremist ideology be considered to "win" over that extremist ideology?
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I am lost now. Which side if any are you on?

If on the non-Nazi side, then you properly want to stop them; i.e. win. I also want to stop the Nazis.
How do you plan to do that and what happens after you have stopped them?
 
The Big Dog said:
You manage to contradict yourself in two sentences.

There are plenty of examples of bad anti-fa, the worst part being their fanatical attacks of free expression and their violence as evidenced in this thread.
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You talk against the racists and I talk against the antifa. :)
 
I want to explore something a little more: Is Antifa the "good guys?" Or are they also "bad guys," but on the opposite side of some other bad guys?

There's no doubt that the White Nationalists/Neo-Nazis are evil and about as "bad guys," as any contemporary group I can think of. But is Antifa any better? Promoting their agenda through violence doesn't really make it seem so in my eyes.

So, in that sense, I think Trump is correct: Two groups of bad people clashed. I don't agree that he should have said it the way he did; in fact, he should have just stopped with condemning the racist views of the WN/NN. But fundamentally, I think he's right.

I always look to people like MLK who protested racism but did so nonviolently. That's the approach that should be taken because then there is no question who the bad guys are.
 
The Big Dog said:
Considering most of them are anarchists and communists, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree as to what we both consider "Real Americans."
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Most? I trust you've done a scientific poll on this quantification. But whatever the precise numbers the antifa is a heterogenous group largely unified by the goal to oppose white supremacists and racism. In this particular goal they are much closer to being "Real Americas" than the Nazis, KKK, and their supporters. Certainly the antifa includes anarchists and Marxists. Yet these two groups clearly are not unified in terms of their views of the correct form of government. Plus the many more members with yet other views. And does advocating changes in the economic system of the USA itself make you not a "Real American?" The only "Real Americans" are capitalists?
 
Giordano said:
Most? I trust you've done a scientific poll on this quantification. But whatever the precise numbers the antifa is a heterogenous group largely unified by the goal to oppose white supremacists and racism. In this particular goal they are much closer to being "Real Americas" than the Nazis, KKK, and their supporters. Certainly the antifa includes anarchists and Marxists. Yet these two groups clearly are not unified in terms of their views of the correct form of government. Plus the many more members with yet other views. And does advocating changes in the economic system of the USA itself make you not a "Real American?" The only "Real Americans" are capitalists?
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I certainly don't like the accusation I'm not a real American for my economic views.
 
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