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Stacko said:
You forgot his championing birtherism, entering the race calling Mexicans racists, calling a Latino-American a Mexican, etc. His long legacy of unrepentant racism is obvious. It's almost like he was raised by a klansman.
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Although whether Trump is a racist or is cynically using racism for this political advantage remains an open debate.
Although it does not really matter:Either one shoud disqualify somebody from being elected President.
I curse the 80'000 morons in Pennsylvania, Ohid and Wisconsin who handed Trump the White House more every day.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Of course. But why not quickly answer the questions if it's so obvious?
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For the simple reason that if you've seen him act and still ask the question, I have to believe that either dubalb is correct and you're a fanatical Trump defender, or that you're a contrarian who's just having a laugh. Either way, it's not worth the effort.

His entire campaign was based on racist and intolerant, divisive rhetoric.
 
dudalb said:
Although whether Trump is a racist or is cynically using racism for this political advantage remains an open debate.
Although it does not really matter:Either one shoud disqualify somebody from being elected President.
I curse the 80'000 morons in Pennsylvania, Ohid and Wisconsin who handed Trump the White House more every day.
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“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”

Kurt Vonnegut
 
Segnosaur said:
Well, how about his failure to disavow support from David Duke immediately during the election?
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Why should he?


It is a question of degrees. While politicians generally campaign to their base, they at least attempt to be inclusive once elected (for example, in state-of-the-union speeches.) On the other hand, Trump has repeatedly belittled people opposed to him (remember many months ago, Trump claimed that protesters were "unfair" to him.) He has worked partisan political messages into speeches where they do not belong. (For example, the boy scout speech, or the one he gave to the CIA.)
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It's a question of degrees, but I don't see much of a difference in degree between Trump and the past couple of administrations. Would you really claim that Obama didn't often use divisive rhetoric while Commander in Chief?


NoahFence said:
Steve Bannon
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This guy's guy to be the biggest imaginary racist of all time. His name is always trotted out as a "zinger" to show how racist everyone/everything is these days, but when you start to look into it, everything evaporates. I've issued this challenge before, but can you provide any racist quotes from Mr. Bannon?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Why should he?




It's a question of degrees, but I don't see much of a difference in degree between Trump and the past couple of administrations. Would you really claim that Obama didn't often use divisive rhetoric while Commander in Chief?




This guy's guy to be the biggest imaginary racist of all time. His name is always trotted out as a "zinger" to show how racist everyone/everything is these days, but when you start to look into it, everything evaporates. I've issued this challenge before, but can you provide any racist quotes from Mr. Bannon?
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So racism is just peachy keen with you. Got it.
 
Segnosaur said:
Well, how about his failure to disavow support from David Duke immediately during the election? (He initially claimed he didn't know Duke, although he was on record talking about him from years earlier.) Or how about campaigning on policies such as stop-and-frisk (which target minorities)?
It is a question of degrees. While politicians generally campaign to their base, they at least attempt to be inclusive once elected (for example, in state-of-the-union speeches.) On the other hand, Trump has repeatedly belittled people opposed to him (remember many months ago, Trump claimed that protesters were "unfair" to him.) He has worked partisan political messages into speeches where they do not belong. (For example, the boy scout speech, or the one he gave to the CIA.)

Other presidents, just didn't do that. Pretty sure Obama was able to keep his partisan messages to the campaign trail. I don't even remember Bush engaging in the same sort of politicizing that Trump does.
Ummm.... because he's the president, and its his job? And as such, its his responsibility to speak on national events. The death/injuries are tied to racism. Its Trump's job to acknowledge that fact and/or lay out a plan of action. A failure to acknowledge the underpinnings of racism that cause the events on Saturday is a failure to do his job.

I would expect anyone elected to the position of president to have a certain minimal competency.... pointing out "Nazis are bad, m'kay?" when it is relevant (i.e. right after a racist killed somebody) should be considered part of that minimal competency. Trump at that. He deserves no credit.
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Yes, that last paragraph. It shouldn't be controversial to say that violent racists acts are bad. Unless you completely lack a moral compass, you don't need advisors to point this out. You *really* don't want to spend more effort in attacking someone who resigns because of your inadequate response than in condemning the violent racists.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I love how these sorts of claims are always unsourced, despite the insinuation that they're trivially easy to source. There are tons of quotes showing that Obama is involved with the Illuminati!
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"...and some, I assume, are good people."

Which he even managed to top a few weeks ago when he suggested that any brown people being deported are the kinds who carve up 16 year old girls (most have been minor procedural infractions less egregious than the taxes we all lie about every year).

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sir drinks-a-lot said:
I love how these sorts of claims are always unsourced, despite the insinuation that they're trivially easy to source.
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Stop playing games. If you're as knowledgeable about Trump as you claim you know exactly what we're talking about, and your request for evidence is nothing but a way to avoid admitting that we're right. If we were to post evidence, you'd find a way to dismiss it, and then claim that none was ever presented. We know the drill.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Are you trying to provide a quote that is relevant to the discussion? Because that's not even a full sentence.
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And there's the proof to my previous post. Once again, you know exactly what's been refered to, and what it was about, but because the full quote wasn't posted with a full analysis by a board of legal and sociological experts, you act all ignorant. "What does this all mean? I have no idea!" You're not a ten year old.

You've now made clear that you have no intention of discussing this seriously.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Are you trying to provide a quote that is relevant to the discussion? Because that's not even a full sentence.
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If you don't know where that quote comes from, I have to question your level of knowledge of American politics.

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sir drinks-a-lot said:
Interesting conjecture. How do you determine what goes in the racist box and what goes in the non-racist box?
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Their statements and behaviors.

Which is how I prefer to assess people in my life.

I recognize this is not a popular perspective.

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