Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[JoeMorgue]

I think also the big issue is that President Trump is not a man who is known for taking his time to make statements about things that he feels passionate about.

A lot of politicians tend to make extremely neutral statements when speaking during or immediately after an event. They are very careful speakers and obviously take time to frame and word any "strong opinion" statement very carefully. This is, in and off itself, neither a good or bad thing.

President Trump has a very off the cuff, spur of the movement, unrehearsed manner of speaking. Again this is, in and off itself, neither a good or a bad thing but it does mean... him not saying something until a day later does carry an implicit message.

 

[uke2se]

I think also the big issue is that President Trump is not a man who is known for taking his time to make statements about things that he feels passionate about.

A lot of politicians tend to make extremely neutral statements when speaking during or immediately after an event. They are very careful speakers and obviously take time to frame and word any "strong opinion" statement very carefully. This is, in and off itself, neither a good or bad thing.

President Trump has a very off the cuff, spur of the movement, unrehearsed manner of speaking. Again this is, in and off itself, neither a good or a bad thing but it does mean... him not saying something until a day later does carry an implicit message.

There's also the way he said it. The way he emphasized "many sides" and repeated it. He was making it clear that he was not denouncing the Nazis.

After this episode, I will be interested to know how many of our resident Trump apologists have the gall to keep apologizing. Because by posting apologetics for Trump, you are posting apologetics for the Nazis. I don't think we could have wished for a clearer demonstration of who Trump really are. A shame three people had to die for it at the hands of Trump's allies.

 

[caveman1917]

There's also the way he said it. The way he emphasized "many sides" and repeated it. He was making it clear that he was not denouncing the Nazis.

Why would you have expected him to? This could hardly be the first time you've heard of Trump's relation to the far-right?

 

[Segnosaur]

How has he cultivated racist support both before and after the election?

Well, how about his failure to disavow support from David Duke immediately during the election? (He initially claimed he didn't know Duke, although he was on record talking about him from years earlier.) Or how about campaigning on policies such as stop-and-frisk (which target minorities)?

Name a recent Presidential candidate that hasn't "engaged in divisive politics."

It is a question of degrees. While politicians generally campaign to their base, they at least attempt to be inclusive once elected (for example, in state-of-the-union speeches.) On the other hand, Trump has repeatedly belittled people opposed to him (remember many months ago, Trump claimed that protesters were "unfair" to him.) He has worked partisan political messages into speeches where they do not belong. (For example, the boy scout speech, or the one he gave to the CIA.)

Other presidents, just didn't do that. Pretty sure Obama was able to keep his partisan messages to the campaign trail. I don't even remember Bush engaging in the same sort of politicizing that Trump does.

Why is it Trump's responsibility to immediately "categorize the events of last Saturday"?

Ummm.... because he's the president, and its his job? And as such, its his responsibility to speak on national events. The death/injuries are tied to racism. Its Trump's job to acknowledge that fact and/or lay out a plan of action. A failure to acknowledge the underpinnings of racism that cause the events on Saturday is a failure to do his job.

As I said upthread, you seem to be placing a unique set of requirements on Trump.

I would expect anyone elected to the position of president to have a certain minimal competency.... pointing out "Nazis are bad, m'kay?" when it is relevant (i.e. right after a racist killed somebody) should be considered part of that minimal competency. Trump at that. He deserves no credit.

 

[uke2se]

I would expect anyone elected to the position of president to have a certain minimal competency.... pointing out "Nazis are bad, m'kay?" when it is relevant (i.e. right after a racist killed somebody) should be considered part of that minimal competency. Trump at that. He deserves no credit.

Any other president post World War 2 would have immediately and forcefully condemned the Nazi terrorist and all his chanting cohorts at that rally. That Trump didn't shows us exactly who he is.

 

[Checkmite]

And of course, after a major corporation quit one of his presidential business councils over his foot-dragging on denouncing white nationalist neo-Nazis, Trump took literally minutes to emphatically slam him, by name.

 

[Segnosaur]

And of course, after a major corporation quit one of his presidential business councils over his foot-dragging on denouncing white nationalist neo-Nazis, Trump took literally minutes to emphatically slam him, by name.

That particular sub-thread was discussed earlier. (Easy to miss these things when the threads move so fast.)

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11956602&postcount=442
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11956861&postcount=477
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322173&page=12

 

[quadraginta]

First we were told to ignore his tweets, and now we are told to ignore what he says. What's next?

You are supposed to ignore anything he or his supporters say or do which reflects badly on him or any of them.

In his case this means ignoring him entirely. Just pretend he does not exist. It's really for the best.

In the case of his supporters this means that their apparent existence is a very tenuous thing.

 

[dudalb]

The Daily Stormer called Trump's statement today "Half Assed Statement For the Whining Jewish Media"

For just about the only time in history, The Stormer is right about something;Trump's Statement was indeed half assed.

 

[The Big Dog]

Any other president post World War 2 would have immediately and forcefully condemned the Nazi terrorist and all his chanting cohorts at that rally. That Trump didn't shows us exactly who he is.

The Justice Department under Jimmy Carter negotiated a deal with the Illinois Nazis to speak in Marquette Park and the Federal center downtown in exchange for giving up their claim to march in Skokie.

We are going to look at that scene in the Blues Brothers chasing the Nazis off the bridge in a whole different light....

 

[caveman1917]

Californian Who Helped Lead Charlottesville Protests Used Berkeley as a Test Run

Before white nationalists protested in Charlottesville over the weekend, before a man allegedly plowed a car into a group of people killing one and injuring at least 19, violent clashes in Berkeley offered a window into the motives and tactics of Identity Evropa, one of the white supremacist groups intimately involved in both protests.

For leaders of this white nationalist movement, the April 15 “Battle of Berkeley” was a self-described test run to see just how far they could push the bounds of protesting, according to numerous public statements from members of the white supremacist movement.

 

[quadraginta]

I think also the big issue is that President Trump is not a man who is known for taking his time to make statements about things that he feels passionate about.

A lot of politicians tend to make extremely neutral statements when speaking during or immediately after an event. They are very careful speakers and obviously take time to frame and word any "strong opinion" statement very carefully. This is, in and off itself, neither a good or bad thing.

President Trump has a very off the cuff, spur of the movement, unrehearsed manner of speaking. Again this is, in and off itself, neither a good or a bad thing but it does mean... him not saying something until a day later does carry an implicit message.

You are trying to employ a rhetorical sleight-of-hand, "in and off [sic] itself" has no real life meaning. It is philosophical masturbation.

The words politicians use have real meaning and real consequences in real life. It is their stock in trade, a primary tool of their profession.

The reason "a lot of politicians" are careful of the words they choose is because they are good at their jobs, and realize that their words are important and have real consequences.

There is a reason Trump is not equally careful. It's because he isn't good at his job.

Unfortunately for us, the job he has now is one where his incompetence can have negative consequences for everyone.

 

[Biscuit]

Watching people on social media try and come up with ways to not criticize nazis in 2017 or to diminish what happened is breath taking. I have seen multiple versions of all of the following.

1. Obama didn't denounce the fascist BLM movement
2. Crazy white dude killed a crazy white chick, move along nothing to see here
3. Swaztikas were planted by liberals paid by George soros
4. Fascism and the kkk are actually left wing ideologies (this one truly boggles the mind)
5. False flag
6. Driver of the car was actually a liberal manic or paid by George soros.

How is it so hard to say, "F*** NAZIs"

 

[Stacko]

FBI and DHS Warned of Growing Threat From White Supremacists Months Ago

The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.

Even as President Donald Trump continues to resist calling out white supremacists for violence, federal law enforcement has made clear that it sees these types of domestic extremists as a severe threat. The report, dated May 10, says the FBI and DHS believe that members of the white supremacist movement “likely will continue to pose a threat of lethal violence over the next year.”

The “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which attracted hundreds of white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and other members of the so-called alt-right, sparked violent clashes over the weekend. A woman, Heather Heyer, was killed by a car that drove into a crowd of people protesting the rally.

James Alex Fields Jr., the driver of the vehicle that struck Heyer, was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

In response to this warning the Trump administration cut funding for groups that counter violent white supremacy.

The future of dozens of programs aimed at countering white nationalist extremism is unclear following a decision by the Trump administration to put their funding on hold.

According to a CBS News report more than 30 organizations that had received $10 million under Obama to combat violent extremism were told that the grants are now under review by the Trump administration.

The programs are aimed at convincing members of violent white supremacist hate groups to leave these organizations and gangs. They also provide former white supremacist with support in the process starting a new life free of hate.

Seems like everything went according to plan for Trump administration.

 

[NoahFence]

How has he cultivated racist support both before and after the election? Sebastian Gorka and Steve Bannon
Name a recent Presidential candidate that hasn't "engaged in divisive politics."
Whataboutism. Weak. Very weak.
Why is it Trump's responsibility to immediately "categorize the events of last Saturday"? Because he's the *********** president.

Why do you people ask questions that are so easily answered. Its as if common sense isn't so common in your crowd.

 

[NoahFence]

There's also the way he said it. The way he emphasized "many sides" and repeated it. He was making it clear that he was not denouncing the Nazis.

After this episode, I will be interested to know how many of our resident Trump apologists have the gall to keep apologizing. Because by posting apologetics for Trump, you are posting apologetics for the Nazis. I don't think we could have wished for a clearer demonstration of who Trump really are. A shame three people had to die for it at the hands of Trump's allies.

So far.

 

[dudalb]

Watching people on social media try and come up with ways to not criticize nazis in 2017 or to diminish what happened is breath taking. I have seen multiple versions of all of the following.

1. Obama didn't denounce the fascist BLM movement
2. Crazy white dude killed a crazy white chick, move along nothing to see here
3. Swaztikas were planted by liberals paid by George soros
4. Fascism and the kkk are actually left wing ideologies (this one truly boggles the mind)
5. False flag
6. Driver of the car was actually a liberal manic or paid by George soros.

How is it so hard to say, "F*** NAZIs"

You forgot "the police stood down and let the commie protestors attack the peaceful alt right protestors on the orders of the Governor of Virginia" B.S. which is quite popular,and is being pushed heavily by Alex Jones,and a couple of posters here.

 

[dudalb]

Why do you people ask questions that are so easily answered. Its as if common sense isn't so common in your crowd.

But Trump is God and can do no wrong. Get with the program....

 

[Oystein]

There's also the way he said it. The way he emphasized "many sides" and repeated it. He was making it clear that he was not denouncing the Nazis.

After this episode, I will be interested to know how many of our resident Trump apologists have the gall to keep apologizing. Because by posting apologetics for Trump, you are posting apologetics for the Nazis. I don't think we could have wished for a clearer demonstration of who Trump really are. A shame three people had to die for it at the hands of Trump's allies.

Seconds after he made that "on many sides - on many sides" equivocation of nazis and their democratic opponents, he was asked - twice! - to comment on white supremacists calling Trump as being on their side. Twice, he obviously heard the question and decided consciously to walk away from it without a reply.
That's tacit endorsement: "Yes, I am the President of the Nazis. Who cares."

 

[Stacko]

Why do you people ask questions that are so easily answered. Its as if common sense isn't so common in your crowd.

You forgot his championing birtherism, entering the race calling Mexicans racists, calling a Latino-American a Mexican, etc. His long legacy of unrepentant racism is obvious. It's almost like he was raised by a klansman.