Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[alfaniner]

Judge Janine on Fox had an interesting debate between two talking heads. One called the white nationalists out and the counter argument was that there were too few of them to bother with.

She sided with the calling them out.

That's kind of what puzzles me about The PDJT's reluctance to call them out. Even in its group entirety, there can't be that many of them to alienate. Can there?

 

[BobTheCoward]

There are several "ethnostates" called "Europe" from whence these "non-hating nationalists" all originally hail. Why shouldn't they simply shove off? Curiously, one of the chants by the alt-right demonstrators was "We will not be replaced," and one of the claims was of "cultural genocide." So, when conquering whites invade, all is OK, but it is certain genocide if... OMG! TV is in color! No, no hate there, the hypocrisy is a mere artifact of vacuous argument, that's all.

Fancy thinking there, boys.

My primary guess would be if you had to assign an ethnostate status to the US, the answer will be white. Which then makes the ideal test how they feel about kicking out white south Africans.

 

[blutoski]

Interesting question.

Is it still a Godwin if they really are Nazis?

The answer is, no.

Godwin's Law (that given enough time, a thread will have a posting where somebody's accused of being a Nazi) does not apply to threads that are actually about Nazis. Since this thread is about actual Nazis marching in the streets, it can't be Godwinned.

 

[jimbob]

I don't think ANTIFA is for anything that would allow them to organize into anything more than a counter protest group. And hell no marketing isn't the only difference. We're talking about Nazis that are killing people.

The ANTIFA may be misguided. The Jackboots are scum.

Yes

 

[blutoski]

One of his high school teachers said his white supremacist views did get him in some trouble at school.

Which made the interview with his mother (who had no idea) all the more bizarre.

Well, not bizarre so much as pointless.

"I raised a Nazi sociopath," is not something one would admit to, even if one realizes it's true.

"Idiot went and started a race war. I taught him, we're not ready yet. The plan is to start the Purge the day after Trump's third inauguration in 2025."

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Judge Janine on Fox had an interesting debate between two talking heads. One called the white nationalists out and the counter argument was that there were too few of them to bother with.

Almost a false dilemma, unless you think that "calling them out" is bothering with them.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Almost a false dilemma, unless you think that "calling them out" is bothering with them.

Uhh... That's kind of implied by "not worth bothering with" being offered as a counter to "call them out".

 

[dudalb]

Sorry, but I cannot sign on to support the Antifa as long as they welcome the Anarchists and the Hard Line Marxist.Just because Hitler was Evil does not mean I have to become a Stalinist.

 

[dudalb]

That's kind of what puzzles me about The PDJT's reluctance to call them out. Even in its group entirety, there can't be that many of them to alienate. Can there?

He does not want to offend his alt right base.....

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It will be interesting if we do or do not find evidence of premeditation.

According to the witness accounts, and the half dozen videos, this nonsense, maybe it wasn't premeditated or wasn't purposeful, are a waste of thread space.


Reminds me of people arguing beating Rodney King wasn't what it looked like.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's kind of what puzzles me about The PDJT's reluctance to call them out. Even in its group entirety, there can't be that many of them to alienate. Can there?

Bannon, Miller, Gorka, ...

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Sorry, but I cannot sign on to support the Antifa as long as they welcome the Anarchists and the Hard Line Marxist.Just because Hitler was Evil does not mean I have to become a Stalinist.

I'm pretty sure that's not a requirement for, or consequence of, supporting them anyway, so...

 

[BobTheCoward]

According to the witness accounts, and the half dozen videos, this nonsense, maybe it wasn't premeditated or wasn't purposeful, are a waste of thread space.


Reminds me of people arguing beating Rodney King wasn't what it looked like.

You can't make that jump that he necessarily planned the crime. We don't have circumstantial evidence like a trunk rental. He could have decided at that moment.

 

[Darth Rotor]

You'd think with all the violence and drama in the news that everyone in the US have lost their minds. But when I walk down the street, or go out somewhere, I don't see it.

me either, but my brother in law, who is a cop, sees a bit of it every day since he's back with the patrol/uniformed division after a vacation in narco.

When two groups of protestors begin physically fighting each other, yes, it is time to end the protest. Nothing to do with free speech.

Yeah, once the fighting starts, time to shut it down

The license plate is clearly visible and they have arrested the driver.

Guess he'll get to find out how much fun it is to get his 15 minutes of fame .. or infamy.

The only difference is marketing.

Hmm, this whole news event strikes me as surreal. I got my Atlantic Montly on Wednesday and read the article in antifa out on the west coast the next day. It informs my view that the sickness in our political system is getting more dire, not healing. This latest madness is a symptom of that. KKK and their ilk have been using 1st amendment to air their malodorous views for decades, and usually they get either counter protested, or ignored. Now and again their trolling ends up with violence. I suppose this is going to happen more frequently now. (Based on the conclusion in the article).

The Governor of Virginia just blasted the white supremists...something that the Orange Fungus did not do.

Yeah, he's from Virginia, and Trump is a (rule 10) from New York. How is this a surprise? My niece and my younger brother both wen to UVa,
in Charlottesville. Needless to say I am not pleased to see what's going on there, and that someone decided to troll the world with this.

McAullife pointed out how sick that his happened in the Home of Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of democracy.

And a rabid anti federalist. (Read Chernow's Hamilton for an interesting view on Jefferson/Hamilton rivalry). You might be surprised to find out how ofter WN's quote Jefferson, about the tree of liberty being watered with the blood of ....

I'd guess it's "linked" because the helicopter was there appropriately observing, and likely recording, the activity. The crash was almost certainly an accident.

Yeah. 7 miles away. Am in touch with someone who knew the pilot. (I didn't).

I didn't see any communists today.

There's a silver lining to this cloud, eh?

You realise that 300K is like a 10th of the population of the US? This stat seems to have come from the same orifice your 40 Countries attacked by the US since the Korean War came from.

1/1000th. That's arithmetic, not even math.

When the states refused to segregate Eisenhower sent in the Army. I really don't see Trump sending in troops to stop fascists when local police aren't doing anything about them.

The news reports suggest to me that cops were out and about. Not sure what you are getting at there, beyond President Trump not being helpful.

I fully appreciate that this is a sensitive matter.

Then I suggest, henri, that you consider putting a sock in it.

 

[dudalb]

I'm pretty sure that's not a requirement for, or consequence of, supporting them anyway, so...

I refuse to support authoritarian movements of any kind,period. They are all bad news.
That is what is scary. The left might now become as radicalized as the right,and start going down the same road..to dictatorship.

 

[phiwum]

I am triggered by the lack of an Oxford comma.

There's no Oxford comma missing in the post to which you're responding. There's a garden variety comma missing, but not one of the Oxford sort.

 

[Civet]

That's kind of what puzzles me about The PDJT's reluctance to call them out. Even in its group entirety, there can't be that many of them to alienate. Can there?

Tough to gauge numbers, but one thing I've noted is that a lot of the guys on the alt-right tend to be very thin-skinned and hypersensitive (essentially the conservative equivalent of liberal snowflakes) and tend to be very quick to assume that any real or imagined slight in their general direction is a grave insult. See the recent whining about the Statue of Liberty cover on Vogue. A lot of alt-right guys who might not embrace the label "white supremacist" for themselves would still see a denunciation of white supremacists as an affront to their own group.

 

[Belz...]

I refuse to support authoritarian movements of any kind,period. They are all bad news.
That is what is scary. The left might now become as radicalized as the right,and start going down the same road..to dictatorship.

100% agreed.

The problem is that the moderates, in fighting against one kind of extremism (left or right) often find themselves siding the other kind. That's bad news one way or another.

The way to fight extremism is to stay moderate.

 

[dudalb]

Anybody else surprised that Skeptic Tank has not shown up in this thread yet?

 

[dudalb]

100% agreed.

The problem is that the moderates, in fighting against one kind of extremism (left or right) often find themselves siding the other kind. That's bad news one way or another.

The way to fight extremism is to stay moderate.

Moderates should stay moderates in their opinions, but more militant in presenting them to the public.They need to as willing to campaign for their beliefs as the radicals are.