Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

mgidm86 said:
Neither the Aniti-fa or these nazis represent most people, yet we seem to get fooled into thinking that they do. They get all the attention because the news media wants to make money, not because it's actually important.

What these extreme groups want and say is not news. It's TV drama! Why do I get suckered into this? This thread and these protests and marches by these extreme groups is a waste of time to even discuss.
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I believe the extremes are massively important, and should be paid high attention.
 
alfaniner said:
I can't remember ever yelling at the TV, especially at a person acting as our President. But that set me off on a tirage.

(eta -- I meant to type "tirade" but I think the other word is better.)
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And you just "proved" the unite the right point....
 
I agree both Nazis and (U.S.) antifa are cancer.

I wouldn't characterize all ideological camps on this issue (of which far more than two exist) that way at all, though.

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sonofthor said:
For some reason I feel like eating some raw carrots now....
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Made me want to run over a vegan. ;)

trustbutverify said:
I believe the extremes are massively important, and should be paid high attention.
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They are getting too much attention these days. Not because they pose a threat to the nation, not because they are a dangerous force or have a point, but because it sells. Ooooh violence! Nothing new there.

And counter-protestors - these nazis would have no attention at all without them. I'm not saying people shouldn't do it (maybe I am), just that it's mostly bullcrap drama and there's no need to bother. This would not have been a story had they stayed home and ignored them.

The main thing I was pointing out before is that if you get all of your information about the US via the news media, you'd think every person is walking around armed and scared and that we all hate each other.

The media seems to want to push a story that we're in chaos, but as usual, the people making the news are in the vast minority.

I said hello to my neighbors today, went grocery shopping, had two nice conversations, and I'm home on ISF where most of the drama in my life comes from LOL. I'd live in ignorant bliss if it weren't for you bastards :D ;)
 
trustbutverify said:
I trust the anti-Nazi's before I trust the Nazi's. That's my bias.
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“The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.”

I may not like ANTIFA but it's an easy call between them and Nazis.
 
Stacko said:
“The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.”

I may not like ANTIFA but it's an easy call between them and Nazis.
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Nope! They are both equally cancer. I'll be glad to punch both...at the same time!
 
There is some validity to the skewed narrative of protest coverage.

I've done livestreams from among them many times, local news tends to stand where the police tell them and repeat what the media liaison officer tells them. Their coverage tends to start after the party gets going.

The easiest way to see through it is to find photos of just before and just after the unlawful assembly/orders to disperse. That takes out about 80-90% of participants right there. Everyone left at that point is pretty hardcore. Some are down to rumble (and honestly always were) or may have begun rumbling which caused the unlawful assembly order. Some more get caught up in the emotional wave with them, but a good half or so are just the types with more heart than brains and are still trying to make some kind of valid point, despite the futility of it.

But the vast majority left when it turned bad and wanted no part of it.

Ferguson was a classic case of this. Vice had a stream on the ground walking along with a group of people from the neighborhood around West Florrisant, night sky lit with multiple fires. They went to the protest, left when ordered, went home, and then looting and fires (across town from the city hall protest). They were devastated. They were watching total strangers destroy their city.

This incident today is harder to track in that context since violence has been escalating since the previous night. This was an issue that made the rounds when the decision was made and lots of outside groups got in on it. Plenty of time for lots of thrill-seeker vacation protester types to jump in, as well.

But the same principle exists, this is hardly a broad cross-section of America being seen in this.
 
Stacko said:
“The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.”

I may not like ANTIFA but it's an easy call between them and Nazis.
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The ANTIFA may be misguided. The Jackboots are scum.
 
Stacko said:
“The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.”

I may not like ANTIFA but it's an easy call between them and Nazis.
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The only difference is marketing.

They both have no tolerance for ideological diversity or freedom of thought and both have no problem committing violence to enforce the version they want.

Do you think the world antifa want to build is going to be some shining bastion of equality and unlimited human potential?
 
Before the really serious stuff began, I had the thought that the heavy media presence contributed to escalating events just due to their being there.
 
Jim_MDP said:
Three? Or still just the one?
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Who knows? At least one confirmed. Not confirmed to be an IWW member either, but there were people with IWW flags in the group hit.

Jeez... that mouthbreathing socialist/anarchist crap is every bit as distasteful as CE's jackbooted lunacy. :rolleyes:
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Feel free not to read whatever your "tastes" tell you not to. I'll feel free to ridicule you when you make an assertion which is obviously refuted by information in those sources.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
The only difference is marketing.

They both have no tolerance for ideological diversity or freedom of thought and both have no problem committing violence to enforce the version they want.

Do you think the world antifa want to build is going to be some shining bastion of equality and unlimited human potential?
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I don't think ANTIFA is for anything that would allow them to organize into anything more than a counter protest group. And hell no marketing isn't the only difference. We're talking about Nazis that are killing people.
 
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