Transgender man gives birth

[Belz...]

When you see these semi-naked ladies, do you instantly have to go and seek some sort of gratification?

Would you at least do me the courtesy of acknowledging stuff I've already pointed out? I never claimed or implied that men in general cannot control their urges. Just like saying that murderers exist doesn't mean every human has an urge to kill that they can't control.

You're the one claiming it's a rational fear

I am? Where?

What does being aroused have to do with assault?

You have got to be kidding me. It's like asking me what anger has to do with murder.

You do know that in civilised countries there are nudist beaches, and adults manage to behave themselves without giving in to lustful urges caused by the sight of naked flesh.

What does that have to do with anything? People on nudist beaches aren't aroused.

Seriously, it's easy to address arguments and points I never made, but apparently impossible to actually discuss what I say.

 

[Belz...]

Arousal and violent sexual assault are a ways apart.

That this needs to be pointed out is disturbing...

Yes, just like anger and murder are ways apart.

What's your point? Did you even seek to understand what I posted, or were you just interesting in disagreeing?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Yes, just like anger and murder are ways apart.

What's your point? Did you even seek to understand what I posted, or were you just interesting in disagreeing?

I don't think you even understood what you posted.

Yeah, since murder involves violation of another person and anger does not, they are a ways apart.

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[Belz...]

I don't think you even understood what you posted.

Yeah, since murder involves violation of another person and anger does not, they are a ways apart.

<facepalm>

Do you not understand the simple fact that one can lead to another? That's why you typically don't prod people by insulting them until they snap and beat your ass.

You're simply being argumentative now.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

<facepalm>

Do you not understand the simple fact that one can lead to another? That's why you typically don't prod people by insulting them until they snap and beat your ass.

You're simply being argumentative now.

Should I then seek to never ever offend anyone or I'm responsible for my own murder?

I find it odd you've clung to this belief so much that you excuse murder to stay consistent.

Doesn't that give you pause?

Also, my coming to a different conclusion doesn't mean I don't understand. But that's a common tactic for pretentious blowhards to fall back on.

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[Belz...]

Should I then seek to never ever offend anyone or I'm responsible for my own murder?

I find it odd you've clung to this belief so much that you excuse murder to stay consistent.

What I find odd is your utter inability to either understand simple sentences or, in the alternative explanation, to discuss honestly.

None of this bears any ressemblance to what I've said. Pointing out possible consequences of an act doesn't justify the consequence. This is what people who scream "victim blaming!" never seem to understand.

Also, my coming to a different conclusion doesn't mean I don't understand.

But arguing against a point I never made sure does.

 

[zooterkin]

I am? Where?

You think it's irrational for a woman to think that a man seeing her nude may increase her odds of being assaulted?

Implying that it's rational to think so.

What does that have to do with anything? People on nudist beaches aren't aroused.

Which was my point. You said:

You think it's irrational for a woman to think that a man seeing her nude may increase her odds of being assaulted?

Should women on nudist beaches think their chances of being assaulted are higher than if they are on a regular beach?

 

[Belz...]

Should women on nudist beaches think their chances of being assaulted are higher than if they are on a regular beach?

As moderators are fond of telling us, context matters.

Of course, one could also point out that transgender people's fear of being assaulted in restrooms if they can't choose the one they're more comfortable with is just as irrational, putting the whole thing into question. You can't have it both ways.

 

[sylvan8798]

Now it's "subhuman treatment" to expect transgendered individuals to show the same respect for the feelings of others they want to be shown.

It is when "show the same respect" means having to be confined to living in your house and not going out in public. Shouldn't there be some sort of parity in the give and take here?

Right. The feelings of transgendered individuals are valid, but the feelings of those of us who are not aren't.

Again, parity? And no, the remote possibility that hoards of rapists would start dressing as women and lurking around women's rooms waiting for you (what prevents them from doing so now?) is not on a par with forcing a group of people to be prisoners in their own homes.

 

[Ziggurat]

Implying that it's rational to think so.

Depending on the context, yes.

Should women on nudist beaches think their chances of being assaulted are higher than if they are on a regular beach?

That's an apples-to-oranges comparison. The relevant comparison to his claim would be whether, on the SAME beach (not a different one), a woman was more likely to be assaulted if she were nude than if she were clothed.

 

[The Big Dog]

Should women on nudist beaches think their chances of being assaulted are higher than if they are on a regular beach?

That would appear to be the wrong question to ask.

the correct question is:

"is it rational for a woman to think their chances of being assaulted are higher than if they are on a regular beach?"

I would say that it is indeed quite rational.

 

[Belz...]

Again, parity? And no, the remote possibility that hoards of rapists would start dressing as women and lurking around women's rooms waiting for you (what prevents them from doing so now?) is not on a par with forcing a group of people to be prisoners in their own homes.

I would like to suggest that we give them their own water fountains, too.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

What I find odd is your utter inability to either understand simple sentences or, in the alternative explanation, to discuss honestly.

Don't personalize.

None of this bears any ressemblance to what I've said. Pointing out possible consequences of an act doesn't justify the consequence. This is what people who scream "victim blaming!" never seem to understand.

No, it's just a ****** analogy.

But arguing against a point I never made sure does.

One can extrapolate two arguments together to find problems in them not seen alone. Sorry you can't.

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[DragonLady]

It is when "show the same respect" means having to be confined to living in your house and not going out in public. Shouldn't there be some sort of parity in the give and take here?


Again, parity? And no, the remote possibility that hoards of rapists would start dressing as women and lurking around women's rooms waiting for you (what prevents them from doing so now?) is not on a par with forcing a group of people to be prisoners in their own homes.

Right. But I never claimed anyone should be forced to stay home.

I said in some few cases it might be necessary, for the general comfort, safety and well-being of all concerned. I never said who those few cases might pertain to, or posited any particular circumstances that might make it necessary.

But in typical ISF fashion, everyone jumped on a tiny portion of my post, and the larger point was buried in the derailment.

The point is that sometimes circumstances, sheer chance and /or choices made equal bad situations. If those conspired to cause any individual to be forced to stay at home I would feel badly for that person, but I would expect them to understand the whole world isn't going to change to accommodate them.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Haven't we filled our quota for threads that become arguments for excusing rape this year, yet?

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[Belz...]

Don't personalize.

Says the guy who just called me a blowhard.

No, it's just a ****** analogy.

What are you talking about?

One can extrapolate two arguments together to find problems in them not seen alone.

Except that you're not using arguments I've made. You're just showing that you either don't understand or are misrepresenting them.

 

[Belz...]

Haven't we filled our quota for threads that become arguments for excusing rape this year, yet?

I'm leaning towards deliberate misrepresentation, now. No one here has excused rape. That you jump to that conclusion immediately says more about you.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I'm leaning towards deliberate misrepresentation, now. No one here has excused rape. That you jump to that conclusion immediately says more about you.

Well it's more that I'm afraid that's what you think. And since fears -regardless of validity, rationality, or credibility- trump any attempts at reason, I guess you're **** out of luck, huh?

Because you certainly wouldn't turn hypocrite on this point when applied against you.

Right?

This is the folly of "my feelings!" arguments.

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[Belz...]

Well it's more that I'm afraid that's what you think. And since fears -regardless of validity, rationality, or credibility- trump any attempts at reason, I guess you're **** out of luck, huh?

I guess you decided to pile another strawman on the stack. I'm sure they'll burn fine.

How about we start over and try to work this out, only this time by addressing only what people say, not our interpretation of what they secretly mean. What is your issue with my previous statements?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I guess you decided to pile another strawman on the stack. I'm sure they'll burn fine.

How about we start over and try to work this out, only this time by addressing only what people say, not our interpretation of what they secretly mean. What is your issue with my previous statements?

No, you've made it clear that an interpretation, no matter how absurd, must be validated and given consideration.

Tough titties.

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