General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Saggy said:
What is does prove without a shadow of a doubt is that the purveyors of the holocaust hoax are degenerate liars the likes of which the world has never seen.

If you want to believe them on the six million, that's your prerogative.
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No, it only proves that some of those who have investigated the history of the Holocaust made mistakes.

The degenerate liars are the denialists who claim mass survival without being able to prove it happened.

That is why you have lost the debate here, you cannot prove your claim.
 
Saggy said:
A degenerate lies is the polar opposite of a heroic lie, and hence totally foreign to the goyim. All the lies of the holohoax are degenerate lies.
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You know, all of this bibble babble is fascinating, however, it doesn't really help move this along.

Read this, Saggy. Sorry, I know you can't comment on Skeptics anymore but maybe you have some insight. Specifically, do you have any counter evidence of your own?

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27177
 
Jeffk 1970 said:
. . . Read this, Saggy. Sorry, I know you can't comment on Skeptics anymore but maybe you have some insight. Specifically, do you have any counter evidence of your own?

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27177
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To emphasize your point, you asked, "How could something like the Holocaust be faked?"

Saggy says that the Holocaust is definitely hoaxed - and that to state otherwise is to tell a degenerate lie.

Well, Saggy has the obligation, if he wants to convince anyone, of explaining how the Holocaust was hoaxed - events, people, places, documents and sources, dates, procedures, methods.
 
Nessie said:
No, it only proves that some of those who have investigated the history of the Holocaust made mistakes.
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Pure idiocy, as usual. If the lies were remote, or plausible, or anything but perfectly absurd, you might have a case, but when the Auschwitz Museum tells me that this is the door to a gas chamber, that cannot be a 'mistake', it is a preposterous and degenerate lie.

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And, you must understand, every holohoax lie is just this absurd. So, it's not a mistake, or a myth, or a misunderstanding, or an urban legend, it is a collection of preposterous and degenerate lies.

You should have a look at the rest of this absurd 'gas chamber' ... see, for example ..

https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html

There is an opening with no door whatever ! There is no ventilation. And yet, millions of people have been marched into this room, and told it was a gas chamber, and there were no cries of incredulity or guffaws. One person asked the guide why didn't the prisoners who were being gassed break the window ! The guide replied that a guard was stationed outside with instructions to shoot (see above link).

What does this say about human credulity? The power of propaganda when it comes from authoritative sources? It really is mind-boggling that anyone could imagine for one instant that this room was a gas chamber.
 
Saggy, how many Jews, if any, were in your opinion deported out of the Netherlands by the Germans during WWII?
 
Saggy said:
Pure idiocy, as usual. If the lies were remote, or plausible, or anything but perfectly absurd, you might have a case, but when the Auschwitz Museum tells me that this is the door to a gas chamber, that cannot be a 'mistake', it is a preposterous and degenerate lie.

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/v4eaFPP.jpg?1[/qimg]

And, you must understand, every holohoax lie is just this absurd. So, it's not a mistake, or a myth, or a misunderstanding, or an urban legend, it is a collection of preposterous and degenerate lies.

You should have a look at the rest of this absurd 'gas chamber' ... see, for example ..

https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html

There is an opening with no door whatever ! There is no ventilation. And yet, millions of people have been marched into this room, and told it was a gas chamber, and there were no cries of incredulity or guffaws. One person asked the guide why didn't the prisoners who were being gassed break the window ! The guide replied that a guard was stationed outside with instructions to shoot (see above link).

What does this say about human credulity? The power of propaganda when it comes from authoritative sources? It really is mind-boggling that anyone could imagine for one instant that this room was a gas chamber.
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debunked here as has been pointed out
 
Saggy said:
Pure idiocy, as usual. <meanlingless drivel snipped> It really is mind-boggling that anyone could imagine for one instant that this room was a gas chamber.
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More unsubstantiated, unevidenced jibber-jabber.

► Show evidence that the missing c100,000 Dutch Jews survived the war
► Show the evidence that c34,000 Dutch Jews were mass transported from Solibor at the end of the war
► Show evidence of your alleged Holohoax; e.g. do you have documentary evidence of a conspiracy between Nations? Explain exactly how this Holohoax was perpetrated. No more simply calling everything you don't agree with "lies". The onus is on YOU to show your working. Post your evidence.

Only an intellectually dishonest coward dodges the difficult questions. Show us that you are not one of them by answering the questions put to you.
 
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Jeffk 1970 said:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27177
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The only bit of that post I disagree with is this..

"Next, you needed to fake thousands of documents with corresponding copies available on both sides of the Iron Curtain".

You wouldn't need to fake thousands of documents, you would need to fake millions of them.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...grees-to-open-holocaust-archive-a-411983.html


There is something else to consider - if the Holocaust was a faked hoax, why did the Nazis prosecuted for these war crimes not use this as a defence. Some of them admitted what they did, and were actually proud of what they did.
 
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Saggy said:
Pure idiocy, as usual. If the lies were remote, or plausible, or anything but perfectly absurd, you might have a case, but when the Auschwitz Museum tells me that this is the door to a gas chamber, that cannot be a 'mistake', it is a preposterous and degenerate lie.

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/v4eaFPP.jpg?1[/qimg]

And, you must understand, every holohoax lie is just this absurd. So, it's not a mistake, or a myth, or a misunderstanding, or an urban legend, it is a collection of preposterous and degenerate lies.

You should have a look at the rest of this absurd 'gas chamber' ... see, for example ..

https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html

There is an opening with no door whatever ! There is no ventilation. And yet, millions of people have been marched into this room, and told it was a gas chamber, and there were no cries of incredulity or guffaws. One person asked the guide why didn't the prisoners who were being gassed break the window ! The guide replied that a guard was stationed outside with instructions to shoot (see above link).

What does this say about human credulity? The power of propaganda when it comes from authoritative sources? It really is mind-boggling that anyone could imagine for one instant that this room was a gas chamber.
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What about the other extermination camps, Saggy?

Also, it's been pointed out to you, multiple times, the Germans converted Krema I from a gas chamber/crematorium to an air raid shelter. The Poles and Soviets botched the reconstruction. But, Saggy, even Leuchter found traces of ZB in this chamber.

What about the fact that the Germans built additional "Kremas" in Birkenau, four to be exact? Why would the Germans need all of those crematorium? That's overkill, Saggy. For that matter, why would the Germans blow them up, Saggy? They had more important targets, Monowitz was a functioning industrial plant that the Poles wound up using after the war.

Saggy, your problem is you have a very limited focus, like all deniers.
 
LemmyCaution said:
to your point, nearly 2.7m Jews were murdered in the various camps whilst here Saggy repeats discredited memes about a site where ~10,000 (Pressac, p 267) were murdered
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What about Krema II? Van Pelt estimated 500,000 people died there (that's going by memory, I could be wrong).
 
LemmyCaution said:
don't recall, if I ever knew, numbers for each II-IV, by site I meant Krema I in the Stammlager . . .
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I'll check it when I get a chance. Pressac or Van Pelt may have numbers, I recall Van Pelt making the point that II was the deadliest place on earth and gave a number.
 
Saggy said:
Pure idiocy, as usual. If the lies were remote, or plausible, or anything but perfectly absurd, you might have a case, but when the Auschwitz Museum tells me that this is the door to a gas chamber, that cannot be a 'mistake', it is a preposterous and degenerate lie.

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/v4eaFPP.jpg?1[/qimg]
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Could you show us where the Auschwitz Museum tells us that this is the door to a gaz chambers?

Because as I see from this document coming from Auschwitz Museum it is obvious that this door between rooms "a" and "b" has never been the door of the gas chamber (show under "c") in the plan.
 
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