Sessions on the way out?

DevilsAdvocate said:
Trump’s NYT interview was rather bizarre. Trump says Sessions should have told him he was going to recuse himself before he took the job. Trump offered Session the job in November, 2016. He was confirmed on February 8. On March 1 news about his undisclosed contacts with the Russian ambassador hit the press. Sessions recused himself the next day. How does Trump think Sessions should have known he would recuse himself and have told him about it before February 8 when the reason for his recusal didn’t happen until March?
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Well, with Trump I'd imagine it's as simple as him not getting what he wants and thrashing about for someone other than himself to blame. A more rational crook might be pissed that Sessions knew full well that he'd been hanging out with Russians and might need to recuse himself from a Russia-related investigation due to perceived or actual conflicts. I don't recall - has there been any official statement as to when Trump claims to have first become aware of the Sessions/Kislyak meetings?
 
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Civet said:
Well, with Trump I'd imagine it's as simple as him not getting what he wants and thrashing about for someone other than himself to blame. A more rational crook might be pissed that Sessions knew full well that he'd been hanging out with Russians and might need to recuse himself from a Russia-related investigation due to perceived or actual conflicts. I don't recall - has there been any official statement as to when Trump claims to have first become aware of the Sessions/Kislyak meetings?
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I don’t think it is that simple. As I said in my next-to-last paragraph, I think the real reason for Trump latest Sessions bashing is because he wants him to resign so he can get in a new flunky to kill the Russia investigation and take the blame. Of course shifting the blame is a little bit of it as well. Trump hired Seissions, and it didn’t work out like he planned. Trump won’t take the blame for his problems, so he blames Sessions. It is the fault of that darned Sessions who didn’t tell him he was going to be a big fat recuser, and that nogoodnik Rosenstein who then just popped up out of nowhere. But it isn’t just a simple matter of shifting blame. Trump has to put the blame on Sessions in a way that gets Sessions to voluntarily resign, or at least make it look like he has a legitimate reason to fire Sessions. That’s the only way he can bring in somebody new to be the scapegoat in killing the Russia investigation without it looking like Trump is just outright obstructing justice.
 
Don't forget to add into the scenario, the more threatening the investigation gets to Trump and his family, the more Trump reacts by blaming people around him. The pattern is clear.

It's not just about a nefarious plan to get rid of Sessions in order to get rid of Mueller. Rather, Trump cannot see his own contribution to any problem ever. In his delusional version of reality, he simply rationalizes that others are to blame. In this case he's focused blame on Sessions. If only Sessions had not recused himself, none of this would have happened.

Trump doesn't accept that the campaign's collusion with the Russians is to blame. Notice the evolution of the story:

We had no contact with the Russians.
We had contact but it was benign, there was no collusion.
There's nothing wrong with seeking negative information about Clinton, that is not collusion.
And finally, essentially, there was nothing wrong with collusion, that is politics as usual.
 
Donald Trump is playing an elaborate game of chicken with Jeff Sessions. And they are not on speaking terms.

Sessions has sent word to the White House that he has no plans to resign and wants to stay as attorney general even amid daily humiliation from the boss, according to two people familiar with his thinking. But he hasn't told Trump that himself.

Trump, meanwhile, has complained to anyone who will listen about Sessions recusing himself from the Russia probe and has weighed firing him. And he has told his advisers he has no desire to speak to Sessions, an early campaign supporter."I'm very disappointed in Jeff Sessions," Trump said in the Rose Garden Tuesday, sending a message to his top law enforcement official from a public microphone.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/25/trump-and-sessions-locked-in-silent-battle-240968

This is not how you run a country god dammit!
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
The question is, who would take the job? Anyone who might interested must know that Trump’s first task assignment is going to be getting rid of Mueller and ending the Russia investigation. They are going to be caught up in the whole rumblings of obstruction of justice. Who would want to jump into that fire?
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Guiliani, Christie, Sheriff Joe ?

All strong candidates by the standards of the Trump administration (i.e. lacking the skills to perform the role but being close associates of the President and likely to be unwaveringly loyal to him).
 
Octavo said:
Where's Senator McCarthy when you really need him? :D
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Wasn't actually search for American people having sympathy or belonging to the American communist party [so a thougth crime], which is not what we are speaking here , as collusion in election is nowhere a witch hunt , especially when you uncover "meetings" to get stuff from russian oligarch linked to Putin on "throwing dirt at hilary", meeting which hapenned, undisclosed meeting with russian ambassador etc... ?

I think I see a distinct difference.
 
Aepervius said:
Wasn't actually search for American people having sympathy or belonging to the American communist party [so a thougth crime], which is not what we are speaking here , as collusion in election is nowhere a witch hunt , especially when you uncover "meetings" to get stuff from russian oligarch linked to Putin on "throwing dirt at hilary", meeting which hapenned, undisclosed meeting with russian ambassador etc... ?

I think I see a distinct difference.
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Apparently I'm not nearly as funny as I thought I was :blush:
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Trump supporters really twist themselves into mental pretzels justifying his BS.
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Trump's acting like a child caught doing something wrong. He should've encouraged them to continue the investigation, saying he believe he'll be vindicated, and then kept on with his job.


If he were another man, that is.
 
Argumemnon said:
Trump's acting like a child caught doing something wrong. He should've encouraged them to continue the investigation, saying he believe he'll be vindicated, and then kept on with his job.
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And well not guilty of all kinds of things. At least congress is laying off of looking into his ties with Deutsche Bank and its Russian money laundering. That is a win for trump.
 
Given the way that Trump has been bitching about that horrible, evil Attorney General that he appointed, then I am surprised that Trump has not tried to waterboard Sessions just to make sure that Sessions is not concealing any anti-Trump data.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't know about most. But I agree that it will take Trump losing support in such a way that GOP members begin to worry about their own elections.

Keep in mind that a good number of Republican house members owe their seats to gerrymandering. The process of Gerrymandering is designed to to create marginally winning districts for your side. There will be many more Republican seats in play than Democrats. The question for them is will Trump’s unpopularity lead to a loss of support for them. It is said any time a President falls below 40 percent support it starts to effect house members of his party. They say below 36 percent it is a disaster. But who knows? Maybe the old rules don't apply.
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When idiots are involved anything can happen! When frightened people are involved, anything can happen! When frightened idiots are involved stuff will happen but nothing about it will be good !!!!!
 
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