LemmyCaution
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Is that a "none of the above" - and nothing else, either - then?
A revisionist with no interest in revisionism, an interesting phenomenon . . .
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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III
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A revisionist with no interest in revisionism, an interesting phenomenon . . .
smartcooky
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Typical Conspiracy Theorist rhetoric which is translated as "The evidence does not fit your preconceived ideas so the evidence must be wrong."
The reality is that people are not very good at recognizing faces. That is why more and more security organizations are taking the human element out of it, and using face recognition software to secure facilities. Your sheer arrogance us breathtaking; you assume, no, insist that your personal ability to match faces exceeds that of computer software that has been developed by highly qualified experts in the field.
Since you doubt the veracity of the software I used, I ran that comparison through some others
Betaface (rated 2nd in the Top 5 Face Recognition programs by TechReviewPro
FaceAPI
SkyBiometry
In all three additional cases, the result is the same. The two people compared are not the same person!
The matter is now settled. Your claim has now been debunked four times with four different face comparison tests.
I have to agree with the software results. The more I look at the various faces of Anne Frank on the web, the less this Dutch girl looks like her.
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LemmyCaution
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He's made clear that, no matter what angle is taken, he won't answer Nessie's direct, simple, relevant question. And that he will overwrite evidence with his own beliefs, without attempting to support the latter.
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There are two parts to the hoax,
#1 ) what did and did not happen to the Jews during WW II
#2 ) the systematic campaign of lies to convince the world of a lie.
When I started investigating the hoax it took a while, but it finally became clear that it was all a collection of lies. My touchstone was the door to the krema 1 hoax gas chamber, a typical unsealed wooden office door with a large plate glass window. How freaking absurd can it get?
So, the details of what happened to the Jews became of less interest to me than the campaign of lies. That is, what didn't happen during WW II, the holocaust, became of less interest than the holohoax, which did happen, and is happening right now, that is, there is an active campaign of lies by the Jewish organization like the USHMM and Yad Vashem, and for all practical purposes every Jew on the planet, to lie this hoax into reality. It ain't gonna happen, you've made way too many mistakes, like Wiesel's book, like the krema 1 hoax gas chamber, here is another whopper ....
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007163
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LemmyCaution
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There you go, changing the subject again. A revisionist who hasn't studied, or even read, the works he plans to revise is a rather comical figure. Nessie, you will recall, asked you a specific question: what happened to 100,000+ Dutch Jews that they have not been heard from since the wartime? Where did they go? What happened to them when they arrived at, e.g., Sobibór?
You say you've answered but you can't post links showing us where you've done so,
You now accuse me of making many mistakes and participating in a campaign of lies - and you refer to Wiesel and Krema I at Auschwitz, but I don't use Wiesel and I've never once made a mistake or lied about Krema I at Auschwitz. The USHMM page you link to describes a movie on the KLs used at Nuremberg - little of it relevant to the Holocaust (discussed here).
It isn't a question of what interests you - I'd love to see your proof for and explanation of what you call "the hoax" - but of replying straightforwardly, without playing games, to a question that's been put to you. Telling us what interests you is just another excuse for your inability to answer.
You've got nothing to try convincing anyone of your claims with regards to Dutch Jews, ok, we can go on to something else. I have no interest in watching you dodge and twist and squirm.
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The hoax is proved by pointing out the lies, that's what a hoax is, a collection of lies.
I've pointed out many, 3 in my previous post, #1 - the krema 1 hoax gas chamber, #2 - Wiesel's presposterous lies in 'Night', and #3 - the USHMM web page that claims the movie showed at Nuremberg was filmed by the Nazis.
Rather than have me recite the lies, just refer to ...
holohoax101.org
or the vid ... 'Introduction to the Holohoax', this vid points out the 'big lie', the foundation of the hoax,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPfPG457cw
The lies and preposterous, degenerate, and endless. It's no problem to find them and point them out.
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fagin
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You do seem to recite an awful lot of lies.
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If you haven't read the literature, what makes you qualified to comment on it?
Adjectives don't make up for lack of evidence for your claims and don't erase the evidence against them.
You are still dodging Nessie's question and followups, and now also dodging replies made to you about your recycling of a dumb Wiesel meme.
Why should I bother reading a pack of more Jewish lies?
We're dealing with a hoax. The only way that you can show it's not a hoax is to prove that the Nazis killed one Jew ! Not six million, prove that they gassed one ! Name one Jew and give the evidence that the Nazis gassed him/her. Otherwise don't bother me with your idiotic lies.
While you're racking your brain trying to avoid the challenge above, you might want to look at this vid from the Spielberg archive of Dina Babbitt, a fascinating woman who happened to teach kindergarten at Auschwitz ....
https://youtu.be/FRMWD8L1xDg?t=13263
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Axxman300
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You can't be a Nazi apologist and turn around and insult the S.S. like this. They got the job done, they cleansed most of Western Europe of Jews. Your bush-league antisemitism and small-minded world view leads you to attempt to take away the Holocaust from the Jews for typical infantile reasons, but in the end you denigrate the S.S. (your heroes) by claiming they were inefficient, and compassionate.
As an antisemite you should bask in the S.S.'s genius in the genocide department, and revel in their success of removing 6 million Jews, and 4 million other people they found undesirable.
No member of the S.S. has ever denied their actions at the concentration camps. Their survivors drank to their successes for many years after the war.
You can't have it both ways, if you want to be a Nazi apologist then go all in. If not, then re-evaluate your life.
As I noted, the degenerate lies are endless. Let's look at this one - the only Nazi tried at Nuremberg for direct participation in the hoax, i.e. the killing of Jews, was Ernst Kaltenbrunner, 2nd in command of the SS under Himmler, you can see some of his testimony at
holohoax101.org
'DR. KAUFFMANN: What attitude did you adopt when you heard about it?
KALTENBRUNNER: I had no knowledge of Hitler's order to Heydrich regarding the final solution of the Jewish problem at the time I took up my office. In the summer of 1943 I gathered from the foreign press and through the enemy radio...
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COL. BROOKHART: Witness after witness, by testimony and affidavit, has said that the gas chamber killings were done on general or specific orders of Kaltenbrunner.
KALTENBRUNNER: Show me one of those men or any of those orders. It is utterly impossible.
COL. BROOKHART: Practically all of the orders came through Kaltenbrunner.
KALTENBRUNNER: Entirely impossible.
There is nothing in history comparable to Nuremberg except the Salem witch trials, where persons were charged with crimes that not only didn't happen but that were preposterous, and where the accusations and testimony were complete fantasy .... you can see part of Kaltenbrunner's testimony here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcApkZx3Ojk
The prosecutor charged him with a crime the prosecutor knew did not happen, the killing of the prisoners at Mauthausen. Listen to Kaltenbrunner's response.
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Yeah I was afraid for a millisecond I couldn't find a link from 8 years ago answering "your" challenge but no worries, I found it: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/12/can-you-give-name-of-just-one-jew-with.html?m=1
You do realize that about half of the Germans' Jewish victims did not perish in gas chambers?
The nice thing about the question Nessie asked you is that the web isn't crawling with long since debunked memes you're stuck on.
Since you can't find anything on the question, you're playing a sampling of bad denier tricks for us. And when you get really frustrated you use a lot of adjectives, pepper your posts with lie and hoax, and start in with the Jewish conspiracy.
You know, instead of answering - the question asked - and explaining your answer with evidence. For Nessie's question, an honest answer would have been "that I don't know" - because clearly you don't - instead of fictionalizing a face match and suffering on about Elie Wiesel from Sighet.
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LemmyCaution
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Saggy - also this one for you. You keep saying I am spreading lies. Show me one lie I've written in this forum. Do better than you did naming your sources on the Netherlands and linking to your answers to Nessie's question.
Nick Terry
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If you haven't read the literature, how do you know it's a pack of lies? Your dismissal is a priori, and therefore wholly irrational.
BStrong
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Because posters take the time to read yours?
Your argument seems to be that since people have lied about their experiences during the holocaust, it didn't happen.
Do you hold the same opinion about the Vietnam war, POW's and Navy SEAL's? Here's the hat trick:
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This is something I've read a number of times and which, based on my reading, doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Without disagreeing with the overall thrust of your post, I'd note that on this point that SS men after the war made a variety of defenses, as you'd expect with a large group, one very common defense being to deny individual culpability for general acts and even to blame shift. Most of the defendants in the NMT Nuremberg trial e.g. accepted that the mass murders occurred but some denied participating and a few denied the murders; rationakizations (partisan danger) were also used. Same with other trials.
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As I noted earlier Saggy has been told what to believe and he believes it....that's pretty much it.
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Since Saggy is obviously incapable of even an attempt at actual discussion may I ask a question of the experts here?
What links were there between the Final solution plan and the der Hungerplan or der Backe-Plan? Did they work together or contradict/obstruct one another?
What links were there between the Final solution plan and the der Hungerplan or der Backe-Plan? Did they work together or contradict/obstruct one another?
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