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The Growth of the UFO Myth

Aliens did not kill people in LA. At least six people were killed during the incident from accidents, a heart attack and in addition, there was collateral damage from the shells fired as the object from anti-aircraft guns. Despite the object taking direct hits, nothing happened and it continued on its course. Eventually, the object reversed course and was fire upon once again. It soon disappeared back over the ocean from where it came.

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Wikipedia quote:

"When documenting the incident in 1949, The United States Coast Artillery Association identified a meteorological balloon sent up at 1:00 am that "started all the shooting" and concluded that "once the firing started, imagination created all kinds of targets in the sky and everyone joined in"."

That ufo was confirmed to be of known terrestrial origin. Why did you attribute it to alien origin?
 
Of course not because mankind still doesn't have saucers capable of 40 G maneuvers at over 9000 mph and not generate sonic booms.
Which, as everyone knows, is absolutely contrary to the laws of physics as we know them.

So what's more likely - that aliens both visit earth and know how to move at great speed while breaking the laws of physics which we know to be extremely reliable, or that a human observer is fallible?
 
Just goes to show that reports of triangular UFOs during the 1800's and in April 1912 proves that the triangular UFOs were not stealth aircraft. In some cases, they were known as deltoids.
I don't think that anyone ever asked anyone to "prove" that UFOs in 1912 weren't stealth aircraft. No kidding. The "U" means "unidentified."

I like using confirmed data from radar and other electronic surveillance means. For an example, go back to my post and look for the information at line #11 at the following link .

11 210 570 10000
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11928223&postcount=126


Now, review the following video and freeze the video at time line: 2:15.


F-16 Radar Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7psGj4M1ZI
OK:

[IMGw=800]https://i.imgur.com/BVI2NW3.png[/IMGw]

I think that you missed my point about billions of people having video cameras in their pockets? 30 year old videos of 50 year old technology wasn't what I had in mind. The amount of video recording in the world is literally millions of times greater than it has been during the UFO era. The quantity and quality is growing exponentially every single year. And you show us these silly stories. Why is nothing new compelling? I think that I know the answer.
 
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I like the performance argument, it at least attempts to use scientific data.

Does anyone else feel that if a life form could travel to other solar systems, which would required either FTL travel or cryogenics, that they wouldn't just 'buzz' us in strange encounters mainly at night? They'd either observe us quietly, being undetectable, or contact us.
 
Not if they didn't recognize us as intelligent beings. Would drop down from the sky to talk to a gorilla?
 
... mankind did not have the kind of flying vehicles that Iranian F-4 Phantoms encountered that night.

Oh, thanks! I'd forgotten about those guys. One of the most entertaining threads ever on JREF had a big section on those Iranian F-4s, in which Rramjet's ET arguments got taken apart by a genuine F-4 pilot. It was made all the funnier because he absolutely refused to believe the F-4 guy was the real deal and he kept tripping himself up as he had plainly failed to read and comprehend his own 'evidence'.

It was comedy gold, and highly educational regarding the practicalities of operating an F-4.
 
Not if they didn't recognize us as intelligent beings. Would drop down from the sky to talk to a gorilla?

What an astonishingly bizarre comment.

"Would drop down from the sky to talk to a gorilla?" Anyone who could talk to a gorilla would be even more celebrated than Jane Goodall.
 
Not if they didn't recognize us as intelligent beings. Would drop down from the sky to talk to a gorilla?

Intelligent peeps drop down in cyberspace every day to talk to you, Jodie. That does not mean that you are as bright as a gorilla.
 
What an astonishingly bizarre comment.

"Would drop down from the sky to talk to a gorilla?" Anyone who could talk to a gorilla would be even more celebrated than Jane Goodall.

Anyone can talk to a gorilla. The trick would be getting the gorilla to talk back.
 
I don't think that anyone ever asked anyone to "prove" that UFOs in 1912 weren't stealth aircraft. No kidding. The "U" means "unidentified."

When you have triangular flying vehicles hovering and maneuvering around the skies during the late 1800's and early 1900's, then stealth aircraft can definitely be ruled out. I like the old UFO case files because they cannot be explained away as high performance aircraft. Another old case was the Fatima UFO of 1917, which was photographed as tens of thousands of people watched as the object dance across the sky.


I think that you missed my point about billions of people having video cameras in their pockets? 30 year old videos of 50 year old technology wasn't what I had in mind. The amount of video recording in the world is literally millions of times greater than it has been during the UFO era. The quantity and quality is growing exponentially every single year. And you show us these silly stories. Why is nothing new compelling? I think that I know the answer.


I have posted the old stories to make a point that the objects are not high performance aircraft much less celestial bodies. Remember, all it takes is just ONE authentic UFO confirmation and its game over. However, that conclusion has been made thousands of times from government sources and for me, that question has been answered as the object passed over my base in 1968, which was to say the least, an "eye-opener." Then, to be sent to another base that has been investigating UFOs that have interfered with our Minuteman missiles. Only years later, did I find out that the Air Force had confirmed the existence of ET during the 1940's and early 1950's. Were you aware of the Air Force's own admission that the UFOs were "Interplanetary spaceships?" You should have heard what the Air Force was teaching its cadets at the Air Force Academy about UFOs.

How many airliners did you notice flying at high altitude overhead today? Now, how many people noticed UFOs flying across the sky at 190,000 feet and above? NORAD knows but such information is soon tagged "CLASSIFIED."

Skeptics think that UFOs are silly but how silly is it for skeptics to say that a UFO which flew in formation with an aircraft and tracked on ground-based radar and observed by eyewitnesses on the ground before zooming off at 4000 mph in a climb was Venus? Does the Bariloche UFO incident ring a bell?

How about the UFO that tracked Ronald Reagan's airccraft before the UFO zoomed off in a climb at high speed over California? Could that UFO incident involving his aircraft be the basis for Reagan's so-called ET speech at the UN?
 
Oh, thanks! I'd forgotten about those guys. One of the most entertaining threads ever on JREF had a big section on those Iranian F-4s, in which Rramjet's ET arguments got taken apart by a genuine F-4 pilot. It was made all the funnier because he absolutely refused to believe the F-4 guy was the real deal and he kept tripping himself up as he had plainly failed to read and comprehend his own 'evidence'.

It was comedy gold, and highly educational regarding the practicalities of operating an F-4.


I can remember getting into a debate with UFO skeptic, James Oberg years ago over the 1976 UFO incident. He said that failure of the avionics on both F-4's were common malfunctions that had nothing to do with flying saucers. His comment raised my eyebrow because the F-4 is an aircraft I had a lot of experience on while stationed at Hill AFB, UT. Hill AFB was a depot for the Minuteman missile and the F-4 Phantom. In addition, I am a private pilot of 48 years and knew that what Mr. Oberg had said was false.

He knows how to pull the wool over the eyes of the unknowing but has difficulty doing so on those who have the knowledge and experience to know when he is not playing with a full deck.
 
When you have triangular flying vehicles hovering and maneuvering around the skies during the late 1800's and early 1900's, then stealth aircraft can definitely be ruled out.
Great! You've ruled out one possible explanation. How many other possible explanations do you think there might be?
 
In addition, I am a private pilot of 48 years ...
I swear I'm going to collect all the times you've said this in support of your argument and stick them all in a big file labelled "ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORITY".

Yeah, great, we get it. You're a pilot of 48 years. That doesn't make you infallible.
 
When asked for video from the past 10 years, he presents an anecdote about Ronald Reagan. This is pathetic.


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... In addition, I am a private pilot of 48 years...
Go ahead, tell us you started flying at 16 years or younger.
Mandatory retirement for commercial airline pilots is 65.
There's probably a very good reason for it too. In part, this;
Hardy and Parasuraman (1997) authored
the most extensive review of the effects of age on cognitive efficiency and pilot
performance. Notably, Hardy and Parasuraman (1997) concluded that pilot experience
does not appear to alter the typical age-related decline found in many cognitive skills.
and knew that what Mr. Oberg had said was false.
Yes, but you believe what Bruce Maccabee spouts, so your opinion of the veracity of James Oberg's expertise can quite reasonably be doubted.
He knows how to pull the wool over the eyes of the unknowing but has difficulty doing so on those who have the knowledge and experience to know when he is not playing with a full deck.
... and those that do not have the required knowledge to debate him have to resort to ad hominem attacks instead ...
 

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