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The Growth of the UFO Myth

RoboTimbo said:
You continue to answer questions I didn't ask to avoid answering the ones I do ask.

Which UFO has been confirmed to be an alien spaceship?
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The Iranian incident involved objects that were ET. The Roswell incident involved ET. In fact, there are thousands of cases that involved ET and some of those cases I have provided performance data that ruled out aircraft and balloons.
 
skyeagle409 said:
The Iranian incident involved objects that were ET. The Roswell incident involved ET. In fact, there are thousands of cases that involved ET and some of those cases I have provided performance data that ruled out aircraft and balloons.
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Where can I find that it was confirmed to be an alien spacecraft? Where can I find a sample of the material it was made from? Which lab had access to it to examine the means of propulsion? Where is it now stored?
 
RoboTimbo said:
Where can I find that it was confirmed to be an alien spacecraft? Where can I find a sample of the material it was made from? Which lab had access to it to examine the means of propulsion? Where is it now stored?
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You don't need lab results. Review the documentation on the incident that I have provided and understand that mankind did not have the kind of flying vehicles that Iranian F-4 Phantoms encountered that night.

Ever wondered why the incident made its way all the way through intelligence channels and to the White House? You might to take a look here.

Physical Trace Evidence
http://www.project1947.com/forum/bctrace1.htm
 
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skyeagle409 said:
You don't need lab results.
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A gullible believer doesn't need lab results. A person with no critical thinking skills doesn't need lab results. I do need lab results. What material was it made from? What lab was able to confirm that it was an alien spacecraft? Did it use dilithium crystals?
 
RoboTimbo said:
A gullible believer doesn't need lab results. A person with no critical thinking skills doesn't need lab results. I do need lab results. What material was it made from? What lab was able to confirm that it was an alien spacecraft? Did it use dilithium crystals?
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Let's just take a look at this radar data once again to make a determination that mankind does not have such a craft.

The Wall Street Journal

Belgium Scientists Seriously Pursue A Triangular UFO

October 10, 1990
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The data on that triangular object that outmaneuvered and broke radar contacts of two F-16s.


Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000 06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000 14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000 18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000

20 290 990 2000

21 290 990 1000

22 300 990 0000

22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock
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It is very obvious that that object was a craft exhibiting performance levels that far exceeded anything known to mankind. Since mankind does not have such a craft with such performance capabilities, simply means the craft was not that of mankind. Such a craft was also reported during the 1800's and in April 1912.


Triangular UFOs

Wiltshire (England) on 8th April 1912, Charles Tilden Smith observed two dark triangular objects cast shadows onto the clouds overhead. Although the clouds were moving rapidly the "shadows" remained stationary and the objects seemed to be very large.

The sighting lasted in excess of thirty minutes and because of the angle and the changing position of the Sun it became apparent that there must have been an additional light source for the "shadows" to remain stationary.

http://www.thewhyfiles.net/triangle.htm

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Understanding Triangular UFOs Since 19th Century

Many people believe that aerospace engineering has been producing triangle UFOs but it was in 1890 the first triangle UFO was first recorded in the Dutch East Indies. Then in 1894 a flying triangular object was reported in England. These two notable events were featured in the popular book The Book of the Damned [Amazon link], by Charles Fort, published in 1919.

With deep research about triangular UFOs however, they can be traced back as early as 1882 wherein astronomers reportedly observed two large triangular shaped objects near the moon. This event was reported in Scientific American Vol 46 April 1882. It was described that the objects had rendezvoused before they disappeared.

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2014/04/understanding-triangular-ufos-since.html
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RoboTimbo said:
Try again. Answer the questions I did ask, not the ones I didn't.

What material was it made from? What lab was able to confirm that it was an alien spacecraft? Did it use dilithium crystals?
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I don't have an answer to those questions. However, you might want to ask the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB, since that is where the Air Force concluded that the UFOs in question are "Interplanetary Spaceships."

I am not sure they will honor your request because even Senator Barry Goldwater tried and was denied.
 
skyeagle409 said:
I don't have an answer to those questions. However, you might want to ask the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB, since that is where the Air Force concluded that the UFOs in question are "Interplanetary Spaceships."

I am not sure they will honor your request because even Senator Barry Goldwater tried and was denied.
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I will accept your admission that there are no conformed alien spaceships then. Thank you.
 
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RoboTimbo said:
No, I think you've learned that you don't need it. You've already admitted that there are no confirmed alien spaceships.
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False and I challenge you to prove that the data posted involved anything to do with mankind. Now, let's get it on because I love challenges.

If you own a blue SUV and your neighbor's white pickup is parked in front of your home, do you need a sample from your neighbor's pickup to determine that your neighbor's pickup is not yours?
 
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RoboTimbo said:
Try again. Maybe you can tell me how the aliens killed people at LA again.
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Aliens did not kill people in LA. At least six people were killed during the incident from accidents, a heart attack and in addition, there was collateral damage from the shells fired as the object from anti-aircraft guns. Despite the object taking direct hits, nothing happened and it continued on its course. Eventually, the object reversed course and was fire upon once again. It soon disappeared back over the ocean from where it came.

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RoboTimbo said:
I think you've also been educated on not attempting to reverse the burden of proof. Try again.
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Here is another UFO case of many that actually lasted over a number of months.


UFO Statement by Emile J. Schweicher, Professor Emeritus at the Belgian Royal Military Academy

Professor Schweicher was interviewed in the German UFO documentary film, “UFOs 2000” (RTL) regarding the Brussels radar UFO incident that involved Belgian Air Force F-16 jet fighters and several radar stations on 30-31 (p.m. into a.m.) March 1990:

There exist different types of radar systems, different sorts of antennas. And the radar antennas orientation towards the UFO were all different. I’m going to get fired – but I’m of the opinion that it’s highly likely that extraterrestrial intelligence is behind the UFO phenomenon!”
https://realtvufos.blogspot.com/2010/05/ufo-statement-by-emile-j.html


Emile J. Schweicher Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPJnNbgFLY


Belgian UFO 1990 Report

At the same time, 30 miles away at Glons NATO tracking station, radar had detected an unknown object at the exact spot where the dinner guests reported the strange lights. They rechecked their radar and called three other bases to confirm what they were seeing. Each had precisely the same return from the same place. They couldn't identify the object so they finally scrambled two F-16s. The pilots soon locked on to the target with onboard radar. After about 5 seconds, the object bolted out of range at a blistering speed. For the next hour, the object seemed to be playing a high tech game of cat and mouse. Each time they locked on to the object, it would dart out of range.
When they debriefed the pilots after landing, the pilots confirmed it was impossible for them to accelerate as quickly as the target was doing. An examination of the onboard radar recordings astonished the military.

When the pilots first locked on the object, it was at 7000 ft. Within seconds it climbed to 10,000 ft. then, incredibly, plummeted to 500' in only 5 seconds. At the same time, the object accelerated to 990 knots, more than 1000 mph, 1 1/2 times the speed of sound. That combination of acceleration and descent would have been fatal to a human pilot.


Related by Lt. Colonel Pierre Billen
Commander, Glons NATO Radar Station

At the same time, 30 miles away at Glons NATO tracking station, radar had detected an unknown object at the exact spot where the dinner guests reported the strange lights. They rechecked their radar and called three other bases to confirm what they were seeing. Each had precisely the same return from the same place. They couldn't identify the object so they finally scrambled two F-16s. The pilots soon locked on to the target with onboard radar. After about 5 seconds, the object bolted out of range at a blistering speed. For the next hour, the object seemed to be playing a high tech game of cat and mouse. Each time they locked on to the object, it would dart out of range.
When they debriefed the pilots after landing, the pilots confirmed it was impossible for them to accelerate as quickly as the target was doing. An examination of the onboard radar recordings astonished the military.
When the pilots first locked on the object, it was at 7000 ft. Within seconds it climbed to 10,000 ft. then, incredibly, plummeted to 500' in only 5 seconds. At the same time, the object accelerated to 990 knots, more than 1000 mph, 1 1/2 times the speed of sound. That combination of acceleration and descent would have been fatal to a human pilot.


A Statement from Colonel W.J.L. De Brouwer:

"We measured some exceptional accelerations which cannot be related to conventional aircraft . . . that is clear. . . . The data on all this performances which were registered during the lock-ons on the radar, was totally outside of the normal performance envelope of any airplane."
http://www.cohenufo.org/belgium/unslvdmyst.html
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The radar data that I posted was provided by the Belgian Air Force

To sum it up, the object and its extreme performance levels were confirmed by airborne and ground-based radars and by observations of hundreds of people on the ground.

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carlitos said:
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A couple of billion people have video cameras in their hands for the past 10 years and we get a story from 1912!
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Just goes to show that reports of triangular UFOs during the 1800's and in April 1912 proves that the triangular UFOs were not stealth aircraft. In some cases, they were known as deltoids.

I like using confirmed data from radar and other electronic surveillance means. For an example, go back to my post and look for the information at line #11 at the following link .

11 210 570 10000
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11928223&postcount=126


Now, review the following video and freeze the video at time line: 2:15.


F-16 Radar Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7psGj4M1ZI


Did you match the data I provided in my post #126 with the radar data depicted on the radar screen of the F-16 in the video? Now, tell us all, what aircraft can even come close to the performance levels exhibited by that huge triangular object that outmaneuvered and broke the radar locks of the F-16's in an encounter that last about an hour.

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Radar isn't reliable. Two or more radar systems operating within range of each other may interfere and generate phantom radar images. This is how radar jamming systems operate.
 
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