Happy 70th UFO Anniversary!

[Garrison]

How many of the reports are younger than me (age 49.5)?

How many of the reports are younger than my daughter (age 20)?

In the age of smartphones with cameras, which any government would have a hard time censoring photos from once they end up on social media, why do we need to look back 40, 50 years or more?

We not only live in camera saturated age, it's also the era of WikiLeaks, Hacktivism and Bradley Manning and yet we are required to believe that UFOs are the one topic on which the governments of the world have successfully protected their secrets.

 

[arthwollipot]

We not only live in camera saturated age, it's also the era of WikiLeaks, Hacktivism and Bradley Manning and yet we are required to believe that UFOs are the one topic on which the governments of the world have successfully protected their secrets.

Except for those smart and savvy folks who have correctly deduced what is really going on.

 

[skyeagle409]

I think every person on the planet can tell a similar story.

Except for skyeagle409, of course, whose perception is totally 100% reliable, because he's been a pilot for 48 years.

Not just that, but I am in a position to know the reality. After all, it was the USAF that provided me with the information that their own 1994 Roswell Report was false. In other words, the Air Force sought to cover-up the Roswell incident as a Project Mogul balloon train #4 knowing that no such flight occurred and that Mogul balloons were not classified and were in fact, just ordinary research balloons that were occasionally recovered by civilians for rewards after answer questionnaires attached to Mogul balloons trains. To further add, the Soviet's first nuclear blast was not discovered by a Project Mogul balloon train, but by a modified B-29 equipped with special filters.

This is a classic example how easy it has been for the government to dupe the public on UFOs because of their gullibility to believe the government vs. reality.

As a pilot, not one time have I ever misidentified lights in the sky as UFOs because I associate lights in the sky with other aircraft, not UFOs and I definitely have never misidentified stars, meteors, Venus, Jupiter nor Mars as UFOs and furthermore, celestial bodies cannot be tracked on ATC nor airborne radars.

Furthermore, there are valid safety reasons why it is recommended that aircraft flying below 10,000 feet use their landing lights. Visibility comes to mind and remember, we are not just talking lights in the sky, we are talking structured objects that do not fit the description nor high performance levels of typical aircraft.

 

[skyeagle409]

These are your honest-to-god best modern captures?

Not just the space station, but the space shuttles as well.

 

[arthwollipot]

Not just that...

I was just about to upbraid you for not answering my question, but I see you just did so. You do actually believe that you can never be mistaken about what you see. If you see a snake in the grass it is definitely 100% always a snake, and never a stick.

You are a superman.

 

[skyeagle409]

I really struggle to understand he mentality of a person who sees something like that, and their FIRST thought is "whoa... an alien spaceship buzzing a satellite" and not "Oh, a bug/mote of dust moving around in the field of view" which this so obviously is.

There's a bit more than that.

SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

HEARINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETIETH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION

JULY 29, 1968

Dr. Sagan: "Apparently what is now happening is that the Air Force surveillance radar is throwing away the data that is of relevance for this inquiry. In other words, if it sees something that is not on a ballistic trajectory, or not in orbit, it ignores it, it throws it in the garbage."
"Well, that garbage is just the area of our interest. So if some method could be devised by the Air Force to save the output that they are throwing away from these space surveillance radars, it might be the least expensive way to significantly improve our information about these phenomena."

I an sure that Carl Sagan knew that garbage (contacts in space not involving spacecraft or missiles) became classified. In case you missed it, this incident would have been not known if it were not leaked.

NORAD'S DSP Satellites and "Fast Walkers"

"The statement was "Where it appeared in the (satellite's) sensor field would indicate that the object came into the sensor field from outer-space, went in front of the sensor, and left, departing back into deep space. It would indicate that it was some type of craft that had the ability to maneuver.

 

[skyeagle409]

I was just about to upbraid you for not answering my question, but I see you just did so. You do actually believe that you can never be mistaken about what you see. If you see a snake in the grass it is definitely 100% always a snake, and never a stick.

You are a superman.

You tend to ignore the evidence and data. One example:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11926493&postcount=167


From that performance data, show where the object was a typical aircraft.

 

[arthwollipot]

From that performance data, show where the object was a typical aircraft.

Why dos it have to be a "typical aircraft"?

 

[skyeagle409]

Why dos it have to be a "typical aircraft"?

It doesn't but even balloons cannot maneuver at 40+Gs at over 9000 mph within earth's atmosphere and not generate a sonic boom. In addition:

Aliens have deactivated British and US nuclear missiles, say US military pilots

Aliens have landed, infiltrated British nuclear missile sites and deactivated the weapons, according to US military pilots.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-nuclear-missiles-say-US-military-pilots.html

I want to add that my assistant supervisor was at RAF Bentwaters when this incident occurred.


UFO Letter

http://www.therendleshamforestincident.com/images/10a8d629a5dbdb390ccc5dcf8901cb26.jpg

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[smartcooky]

"I'm the only one who knows this stuff 'coz I'm a special sooper-heero who has access to sooper seekrit stuff that the rest of you poor duped sheeple don't"

The shear arrogance and hubris of this guy is breathtaking!

 

[skyeagle409]

"I'm the only one who knows this stuff 'coz I'm a special sooper-heero who has access to sooper seekrit stuff that the rest of you poor duped sheeple don't"

The shear arrogance and hubris of this guy is breathtaking!

Let's just say that I am in a prime position to know things that the typical man-on-the-street doesn't, which explains why I have stated for the record that the UFOs in question are those of extraterrestrials, but then again, the Air Force beat me to the punch in regard to ET visitation back in the 1940's and again in its intelligence reports in 1952, which concluded that UFOs were extraterrestrial crafts.

Have you ever wondered why I have also stated for the record that the process placing us on the road to ET disclosure has begun? Still years away, but the process has now begun. When the story finally breaks, just remember who it was that told you first. However, disclosure would have been a reality on January 22, 1958 on Live TV had CBS not cut off Major Donald Keyhoe as he was preparing to tell the rest of the story about what the government knows about UFOs, otherwise, there would be no debate as to whether ET visitation was a reality or not because there would be no need for the government to continue with its current cover-up that began during the 1940's with a partial door closing that was eventually slammed shut after the Robertson Report was revealed.

 

[Pixel42]

It doesn't but even balloons cannot maneuver at 40+Gs at over 9000 mph within earth's atmosphere and not generate a sonic boom.

Nothing can, including alien spaceships. It is, as you say, physically impossible. So clearly either the reasoning that an object did so, or the data that reasoning is based on, or both, are erroneous.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

However, disclosure would have been a reality on January 22, 1958 on Live TV had CBS not cut off Major Donald Keyhoe as he was preparing to tell the rest of the story about what the government knows about UFOs, otherwise, there would be no debate as to whether ET visitation was a reality or not because there would be no need for the government to continue with its current cover-up that began during the 1940's with a partial door closing that was eventually slammed shut after the Robertson Report was revealed.

Keyhoe went on to conduct a full interview, uncut and uncensored, in which he detailed his claims. Strangely, no-one has tried to silence him, nor has there been mass panic and hysteria. How do you explain this?
Furthermore, if he was correct, as you claim, you would have thought that by now, we would have seen all the alien bases on Mars that he's talking about.
Where are they, skyeagle409?

There is an indication that they could be using Mars as a base. I don't mean they originate right there, but every time Mars has approached us, in the last ten years, there's been a noticeable increase in saucer sightings. And that's been mentioned officially. In fact, the Canadian official project, on the basis of that, set up an observation station in Canada.

http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/keyhoe_donald_t.html

 

[Darat]

Not just the space station, but the space shuttles as well.

Then can you please link to what you consider are the best recent photos and videos, say from the 2007 onwards .

 

[Darat]

Let's just say that I am in a prime position to know things that the typical man-on-the-street doesn't, which explains why I have stated for the record that the UFOs in question are those of extraterrestrials, but then again, the Air Force beat me to the punch in regard to ET visitation back in the 1940's and again in its intelligence reports in 1952, which concluded that UFOs were extraterrestrial crafts.

Have you ever wondered why I have also stated for the record that the process placing us on the road to ET disclosure has begun? Still years away, but the process has now begun. When the story finally breaks, just remember who it was that told you first. However, disclosure would have been a reality on January 22, 1958 on Live TV had CBS not cut off Major Donald Keyhoe as he was preparing to tell the rest of the story about what the government knows about UFOs, otherwise, there would be no debate as to whether ET visitation was a reality or not because there would be no need for the government to continue with its current cover-up that began during the 1940's with a partial door closing that was eventually slammed shut after the Robertson Report was revealed.

Why has no other government broken the conspiracy of silence?

 

[Tolls]

There's a bit more than that.

Then why, when asked for your best example of an ISS UFO encounter, did you post a video showing a bug flitting across in front of the camera, and a still of a blob that could be anything?

Or you could, of course, simply Gish-Gallop to some other example..

 

[arthwollipot]

Let's just say that I am in a prime position to know things that the typical man-on-the-street doesn't...

Let's not just say that. Let's have you justify that statement. Let's please go into excruciating detail about it.

 

[lpetrich]

I still see UFO nuts trotting out the fantasies of that certifiable nutcase, George Adamski and purporting them to be truth. IIRC, Adamski's stocks fell rather sharply when NASA showed that Venus, far from being a tropical paradise he claimed, was in fact a burning slice of hell.

I've illustrated GA's notions in some pictures at this link: What is Venus like? -- I won't hotlink them, so you'll have to go there.

I used pictures of present-day Portland, Oregon for what GA thought that Venus was like.

There are three solutions to this conundrum that I've found.

GA's ET friends live in enclosed colony cities on the other planets, and moons of them. UFO SECRET: Alien Contacts - FEATURE FILM - YouTube mentions that theory, and I concede that I've written a story that tries to rationalize it.

GA's ET friends live in an ethereal sort of plane of existence. Jacques Vallee once proposed that for UFO's more generally, but when Desmond Leslie proposed it, George Adamski protested that his ET friends were not "(expletive) spooks".

Modern planetary exploration is all wrong. As far as I can tell, that is the theory in FLYING SAUCERS & LIFE WITH GEORGE ADAMSKI: THE PALOMAR GARDENS INTERVIEW - YouTube. Glenn Steckling, head of the George Adamski Foundation, tries to argue away some results of the exploration of Venus. He seems like he's talking about Venera 4 and Mariner 5, where Venera 4's last reported temperature was 200 C and Mariner 5's calculated surface temperature was over 400 C. He also talked about Venus's fast winds, and and how they would scour the planet's surface. But those are high-altitude ones, and the Earth also has fast high-altitude ones.

 

[lpetrich]

Some people go further than being UFO contactees. Vivenus Starchild and Omnec Onec claim that they are both Venusians who adopted the forms of Earthwomen, one who committed suicide and one who got killed in a car accident.

They did it because they wanted to enlighten us, and Omnec Onec teaches what is apparently a version of Eckankar.

 

[smartcooky]

Let's just say that I am in a prime position to know things that the typical man-on-the-street doesn't..

Of course you are. Conspiracy Theorists all claim to have "special knowledge". That way, they can argue from a claimed position of Authority, and no-one can actually check on their bona fides, becasue those bona fides are... ahem, classified.

When I asked you earlier to "show your credentials", I didn't mean for you to just tell me your name rank and serial number... any old "man-in-the-street" can do that. What I want to see is some documentary evidence that you are who you claim to be (a verifiable photo of you in Vietnam would be a start. A personally taken photograph of you at Hill AFB and/or Travis AFB in some place the public might not to have access to would be another starter).

Since you claim to have been a pilot at Travis, that would make you an officer, so you will know what is hanging on the right hand side in the foyer of the O Club as you go through the main entrance. Its been there since 1944, (and it was there when I was stationed at Travis in 1982 for six months while I was on an AN/APN59B and AN/APS80 radar equipment course) so it had to have been there when you claim to have been there.

which explains why I have stated for the record that the UFOs in question are those of extraterrestrials,

You have yet to provide any EVIDENCE of this...

but then again, the Air Force beat me to the punch in regard to ET visitation back in the 1940's and again in its intelligence reports in 1952, which concluded that UFOs were extraterrestrial crafts.

Does even it enter your thinking at all that they may have been incorrect?

Have you ever wondered why I have also stated for the record that the process placing us on the road to ET disclosure has begun? Still years away, but the process has now begun. When the story finally breaks, just remember who it was that told you first. However, disclosure would have been a reality on January 22, 1958 on Live TV had CBS not cut off Major Donald Keyhoe as he was preparing to tell the rest of the story about what the government knows about UFOs, otherwise, there would be no debate as to whether ET visitation was a reality or not because there would be no need for the government to continue with its current cover-up that began during the 1940's with a partial door closing that was eventually slammed shut after the Robertson Report was revealed.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that extra-terrestrial life exists.

There is also absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are the only intelligent/technologically advanced life in our Solar System. We may find life out there among or fellow planets, but it won't be intelligent life

Finally, there is also absolutely no doubt in my mind that advanced technological civilizations have existed, do exist now or will in the future on the planets of other stars, but they are so far away from us that they have not and will not be able to travel here in any practical sense, or us travel to meet them. Even in the extremely unlikely event that a Kardeshev Type I civilisation currently exists on planet orbiting αCen or Proxima Cen, and we somehow managed to discover it and to communicate with it, would still be a journey of many thousands of years to get there with our current state of technology, and many hundreds of years to get there with any foreseeable leaps in technology.

The total/combined energy resources of the entire earth are insufficient to even get ONE tiny spacecraft up to a small fraction of the speed of light. Faster then Light travel and zipping around between planets in flying saucers simply isn't going to happen any time soon, most likely, never.