Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[PartSkeptic]

Incorrect - I have normal/rational beliefs, I have no paranormal/irrational beliefs. I doubt you know the difference.

Wrong. You have no proper experience of God and the spirit world, so it is you who does not know the difference.

Canard propagated by woo-deniers = "A belief in God is irrational"

That unsupported statement elevates your belief to rationality. Makes you think you are superior because of a superior belief system.

What JA is saying is "Find God and find Love and Humility".

 

[Porpoise of Life]

To "create" a god and give up all of this for my "fake creation" means that I got mad.

Your words, not ours...

I know. To you it is madness. But I am not mad. So it had to be something better. Something not of this earth. Because the best that the earth had . . .I had it all. The point is now. Is there something more worthy to give up your life for. To you . . .that is madness because to you that something is not existing. To you I have given up my life for nothing. Well come on. Do you not think your idea is "madness"?

Finding inner peace and doing things for others aren't madness no.

But all the things we can no longer discuss in this thread because they transgress both the MA and basic human decency might be symptoms of something other than sanity.

 

[ynot]

Belief - Insufficient credible evidence to be classified as knowledge.

Normal/rational belief – Qualified/provisional acceptance of a normal/rational claim/conjecture.

Normal/rational claim/conjecture example – “There‘s a dog in a house”.

Paranormal/irrational belief - Unqualified acceptance of a paranormal/irrational claim/conjecture.

Paranormal/irrational claim/conjecture example - “There’s a god in a heaven”.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Well, he can't claim 'it's all in the Bible' in this thread, because that doesn't help his argument that he's not describing mythology.
I predict he's going to go for one of his "Muhammad was a great general and Islam grew really fast" tangents.

Don't give up your day job just yet.

Judaism was the among the first to promote a belief in a monotheistic god. They got their laws from that God through their prophets. They wrote down their history and their laws and refined them.

The adherents to Judaism are among the most ardent believers. They follow the tenets of their religion faithfully. God has rewarded them with superior genetic traits. (Or was it that because they were genetically superior that they found God?)

Despite their small numbers, they are leaders in fields such as medicine, law, politics, education, science, literature and the arts. God has been good to them, and they have great material wealth.

Of course, one might argue that they wander off track somewhat and get punished, for they believe in a vengeful God, and it seems he does not disappoint.

Jesus was Jewish and possibly the Messiah predicted. On one hand, the followers of Judaism contribute greatly to society, but they do not follow the message of Brotherly Love as taught by Jesus (which was the basis for the Islamic religion).

Do you think the religious Jews (the majority of the culture) are mad irrational people?

 

[PartSkeptic]

Evidence that any "prophet" performed wonders, please.

Part of the answer is my previous post.

How about you answer my question? The strawman sects?

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Don't give up your day job just yet.

Judaism was the among the first to promote a belief in a monotheistic god. They got their laws from that God through their prophets. They wrote down their history and their laws and refined them.

The adherents to Judaism are among the most ardent believers. They follow the tenets of their religion faithfully. God has rewarded them with superior genetic traits. (Or was it that because they were genetically superior that they found God?)

Despite their small numbers, they are leaders in fields such as medicine, law, politics, education, science, literature and the arts. God has been good to them, and they have great material wealth.

Of course, one might argue that they wander off track somewhat and get punished, for they believe in a vengeful God, and it seems he does not disappoint.

Jesus was Jewish and possibly the Messiah predicted. On one hand, the followers of Judaism contribute greatly to society, but they do not follow the message of Brotherly Love as taught by Jesus (which was the basis for the Islamic religion).

Do you think the religious Jews (the majority of the culture) are mad irrational people?

Of course you couldn't use that once it had already be mentioned...

Point in case being that you have named no historically verified great deed by an historically verified prohet in your post, which was your claim.
You know, the claim that your God concept is better than other people's because there were great prophets who have done great deeds in the name of this God...
Now you've moved the goalposts from 'doing great deeds that prove there's a God' to 'preaching nice stuff'.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Show evidence of his existence.

That question has been asked already. Maybe you missed it. But it will do you a lot of good to go through everything again. Even in that very post is "evidence of existence" to the wise.

 

[Border Reiver]

That question has been asked already. Maybe you missed it. But it will do you a lot of good to go through everything again. Even in that very post is "evidence of existence" to the wise.

In other words, you have no evidence.

 

[Johanabrahams]

You accept Judaism? Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? Shamanism? Druidism? Voodooism? Satanism? Paganism? New Ageism in all it's forms? Deism? Pantheism? Panentheism? B'ahai? Polytheism?

I accept that they met with God. All in their own way.

Your argument logically requires that you must, because all of those believers couldn't possibly be mad or ignorant, right?

They met with deity. Yep. They can not be all mad. You not having met with deity can not say there is none just because you never met with deity.

Surely they could not all be mad and by your own argument, you must accept all of those and many, many more.

No problem. We are already speaking about what happened and the worth of it.

And what of your own peculiar flavour of christianity? Just one out of an estimated 30,000 flavours of christianity. Most of those would outright reject your version. They cannot be all mad or ignorant by your own argument.

They can never reject my meeting with a Living God. They had the same meeting. Just the differences in the meeting is debated.

Everything you post is "just your opinion".

Yep. To you that is. Only God can change it to reality for you.

I have seen no evidence for the existence of any of the many claimed deities. None. No more that there is evidence for universe forming pixies. Do you believe the universe was created by universe forming pixies? Why not?

Others whom you admit are not all mad have different evidence.

I did my research, I understand exactly what motivates you to make such claims. Now, I refuse to publicly post to whom I spoke, nor what they told me as that would be unfair to you, and to them for that matter. In fact, the condition of any communications was that they not be republished and that anonymity was sacrosanct. I respect that. But don't be under some illusion that you can pull the wool over my eyes with your sanctimonious baloney.

I am a Christian and we call this gossip. You call it something else. Trying to "pull the wool over my eyes with your "secret" baloney".

 

[abaddon]

Part of the answer is my previous post.

Nope. No answer given, just further unevidenced assertions.

Don't give up your day job just yet.

Judaism was the among the first to promote a belief in a monotheistic god.

So what? One imaginary being versus many. BFD.

They got their laws from that God through their prophets. They wrote down their history and their laws and refined them.

Nope. The plagiarised much of it from other traditions of the region and made up the rest out of whole cloth. There is no evidence for the claimed deity. The history is flat out contradicted by the archaeological record.

The adherents to Judaism are among the most ardent believers. They follow the tenets of their religion faithfully.

Mostly they don't. Those sects which do form a tiny minority.

God has rewarded them with superior genetic traits. (Or was it that because they were genetically superior that they found God?)

Provide evidence for these "superior genetic traits" including their origin with a deity.

Despite their small numbers, they are leaders in fields such as medicine, law, politics, education, science, literature and the arts. God has been good to them, and they have great material wealth.

Not true.

Of course, one might argue that they wander off track somewhat and get punished, for they believe in a vengeful God, and it seems he does not disappoint.

Or perhaps it wasw Santa when he was in a bad mood.

Jesus was Jewish and possibly the Messiah predicted. On one hand, the followers of Judaism contribute greatly to society, but they do not follow the message of Brotherly Love as taught by Jesus (which was the basis for the Islamic religion).

There is not actual evidence that jesus even existed. As for "brotherly love" judaism has plenty of it. You clearly have not read the tanakh. None of it forms the basis of islam.

Do you think the religious Jews (the majority of the culture) are mad irrational people?

False. Religious jews are in the minority. Cultural jews are the majority. The strict sects are mad as a box of frogs.

How about you answer my question? The strawman sects?

Why? What's the point? You seem to think you have all the answers. You listen to nobody nor read/research anything in favour of coddling your cherished superstitions.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Dragons are real?

Huh...

And where are those believing in them?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Each believer simply inherits conviction from authority—thus forming a chain of trust, unshackled by what is real.

And where did this idea come from?

In Christianity you can only be one if you have a personal witness. That means you have to witness about your specific encounter with God. There is no such thing as "inherited conviction from authority" Even here I see no such thing. Every one of us stressed a personal meeting.

Your error requires no overt madness: ignorance suffices.

Yep in your mind. Where faith is the result of the deceit of the "authority"

 

[Johanabrahams]

No one has a future after death. You just stop. Your pretend life as a god can't change that.

So how far are you from your "stop"?

 

[Johanabrahams]

A long way of saying that you know you are pretending to be a god.

Try this one:



https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/205133-born-again/#comment-2527484

 

[Johanabrahams]

You claim there is a god, your claim and your burden of proof.

"your claim and your burden of proof" . . .and me.

 

[Johanabrahams]

To quote the great Han Solo, "Looks like we hit you pretty close to the mark".

In better words. You missed the mark. But wisdom knows why? Do you?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Wait, I thought this was a thread where you would teach us what Love is.

Now it's turning into a thread about your persecution complex and the opinions your neighbours have of you?

I didn't run on that road. But when the road appeared I also didn't run from it.

We will see who is now running from it.

 

[Johanabrahams]

See, this is what I don't get... (I've asked you before, but for some reason you've stopped replying)

I have not stopped. I am still going strongly.

You claim to want to teach us something, but all you do is tell us how special you and yours are, and how ignorant everyone else is.

I never focused on myself. You should go back on teaching till you reach that point.

That might be an (arrogant) introduction to a lesson, but it is not a lesson in and of itself.
You never tell us what teachings we need to follow, why we need to follow your version of those teachings (which I assume is important, since you've gotten into fights with rival pastors about it), or even literally what we should practically do.

What you should practically do now are many things. I can not decide for you. This is freedom that God gives.

Without actual instruction, all you have is mental masturbation. Feeding your ego and your persecution complex.

These are all just in your mind.

 

[Border Reiver]

And where did this idea come from?

In Christianity you can only be one if you have a personal witness. That means you have to witness about your specific encounter with God. There is no such thing as "inherited conviction from authority" Even here I see no such thing. Every one of us stressed a personal meeting.

Peer pressure is a wonderful thing - you believe that in order to truly be part of the group you absolutely must do a thing. And because you really want to be part of this group you convince yourself to either do this thing or that it has happened to you.

 

[Marcus]

No lack of evidence for me. I went from being a woo-denier to an almost-full believer.

It is not easy to prove because it is not governed by the laws of physics but by an intelligence who avoids scientific proof. Sooo frustrating for those who do not get the personal proof they want.

Part of this is interesting. Not the "frustrating" part, I'm sure you don't believe that, it's just too silly, like me claiming you're frustrated because you can't find proof the moon is made of green cheese.

What is interesting is the argument that God actively avoids proof. That' s one way of avoiding the obvious point that it would be extremely easy for an all powerful being to provide proof.