Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Craig4]

Then there is no relationship and no conversation. Even in your existence you should realize that meaningful conversation and relationship is in giving of yourself. I do not say that you should reach the level of what I have given but I came a long way. As for starters you can give just a little bit and experience the result. Then you will understand God giving us a Bible and me having one too. The more we share the better relationship gets. But only in an atmosphere of grace. In a normal human relationship it is "scary" to reveal oneself.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/general-discussion-forum/forgiveness-97386/?topicseen

A long way of saying that you know you are pretending to be a god.

 

[Marcus]

The difference between adult woo-deniers and adult believers is that believers know the difference between fairy tales and reality.

Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters are to entertain kids (or the kids in us) as fairy tales.

God, the supernatural, souls and spirits and telepathy to mention a few are reality but not provable - just as the birth of the universe is reality and a prime cause is reality but probably unknowable.

The con artists market psychic surgery, teleportation, telekinesis and things that fall into the category of major miracles. They are frauds. A major miracle may be possible but only a few may have happened.

If telepathy or god was real it would be quite easy to prove. The lack of evidence should tell you something. You should reconsider your position that these ideas have anything to do with reality.

 

[Craig4]

You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist. Even the differences and struggle between them is never about His existence. Every on that speak in that sphere of life is a witness about the existence of God and on the fact that he/she met Him in a certain way. You will not understand people speaking about God without this understanding. It will look like madness or ignorance or whatever your reasoning. But whatever your reasoning you will not be satisfied with it. The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.



That is just your opinion. And because you have not met Him you can not say that He does not exist. About the "spiritual mother": You will not understand me and my reasons and motivation to be here except in that context.

You claim there is a god, your claim and your burden of proof.

 

[Beady]

Spaghetti Monsters are not fairy tales. Why on earth would you say that?

Heresy! Burn the lubber!

Err... I mean, Make him walk the plank, aaaarrrrggghh!

This signature is intended to irritate people.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Heresy! Burn the lubber!

Err... I mean, Make him walk the plank, aaaarrrrggghh!

This signature is intended to irritate people.

 

[PartSkeptic]

If telepathy or god was real it would be quite easy to prove. The lack of evidence should tell you something. You should reconsider your position that these ideas have anything to do with reality.

No lack of evidence for me. I went from being a woo-denier to an almost-full believer.

It is not easy to prove because it is not governed by the laws of physics but by an intelligence who avoids scientific proof. Sooo frustrating for those who do not get the personal proof they want.

 

[ynot]

No lack of evidence for me. I went from being a woo-denier to an almost-full believer.

It is not easy to prove because it is not governed by the laws of physics but by an intelligence who avoids scientific proof. Sooo frustrating for those who do not get the personal proof they want.

Argumentum ad Emperor's new clothes.

 

[PartSkeptic]

"Your myths are fiction, but my myths are real."
Yeah, very believable.

First show me a sect that believes in any of the fairy tales I have listed (Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters). And their rationale (even if crazy) to show that such things exist.

They are turned into a major "strawman argument". You cannot see the strawman for the straw in your eyes. Look you believe in God - there is as much proof as proof of dragons.

Rubbish - the prophets who believed in God did wonders. There are many many examples of people who have found God and became changed people who have made a positive difference in this world.

Your orbiting teapot believer just sits in his armchair with his critical imagination, as do some you Pastafarians.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Argumentum ad Emperor's new clothes.

Another strawman! I am well aware of the beliefs I clothe myself in. You are the one whose says you chose to have no beliefs, except perhaps the belief in no-belief.

 

[Zivan]

Rubbish - the prophets who believed in God did wonders.

And what prophets would those be?

There are many many examples of people who have found God and became changed people who have made a positive difference in this world.

There are many many examples of people who have no beliefs in gods who have made a positive difference in this world.

 

[ynot]

Another strawman! I am well aware of the beliefs I clothe myself in. You are the one whose says you chose to have no beliefs, except perhaps the belief in no-belief.

Incorrect - I have normal/rational beliefs, I have no paranormal/irrational beliefs. I doubt you know the difference.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Interesting that a "god" does not understand what many posters write in this thread.

When you say, "Tell us more", what you mean is you have no understanding. Weird for a "god" not to understand.

Here, I will re-write it in a way you can understand:

Tango.........Sierra...

.........Foxtrot.......Oscar....

.........

Well we have better things to speak about than

Tango.........Sierra...

.........Foxtrot.......Oscar....

.......
You should read some more in this thread. Try to read also what others have posted. Then you will have more meaningful things to write about.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Wait, I thought this was a thread where you would teach us what Love is.

Now it's turning into a thread about your persecution complex and the opinions your neighbours have of you?

 

[Johanabrahams]

I find it amusing the alliances that form in a thread like this.

If you understand the amusement will disappear.

Here we have two very religious persons posting, and one is cheering the other on, presumably because the enemy of your enemy is your friend. But under the surface, it seems likely that everything Johann believes is contrary to what PS believes, and that everything PS believes would be condescendingly dismissed in the confusing and incoherent ramblings of the other.

Nope. We are together in the existence of God. We met Him. And so are all the Christians. He is our Father. So we know that you have a problem. A problem of ignorance. Because if you have not yet met someone you can not conclude that he/she does not exist.

The things we differ about that Person will be discussed outside of this thread as this thread is not for that. Even these discussions on what we understand differently about "that person" are a witness to the wise of His existence. There can not be different opinions about someone that does not exist.

You will see me on many Christian forums discussing the "deeper side" which you obviously have no interest in. Obviously this will have a negative influence on ignorant people who are struggling with the very first situation namely the existence of God. In their ignorance they will even conclude that there is none as many are doing. This obviously is a very foolish conclusion.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

If you understand the amusement will disappear.



Nope. We are together in the existence of God. We met Him. And so are all the Christians. He is our Father. So we know that you have a problem. A problem of ignorance. Because if you have not yet met someone you can not conclude that he/she does not exist.

The things we differ about that Person will be discussed outside of this thread as this thread is not for that. Even these discussions on what we understand differently about "that person" are a witness to the wise of His existence. There can not be different opinions about someone that does not exist.

You will see me on many Christian forums discussing the "deeper side" which you obviously have no interest in. Obviously this will have a negative influence on ignorant people who are struggling with the very first situation namely the existence of God. In their ignorance they will even conclude that there is none as many are doing. This obviously is a very foolish conclusion.

See, this is what I don't get... (I've asked you before, but for some reason you've stopped replying)

You claim to want to teach us something, but all you do is tell us how special you and yours are, and how ignorant everyone else is.
That might be an (arrogant) introduction to a lesson, but it is not a lesson in and of itself.
You never tell us what teachings we need to follow, why we need to follow your version of those teachings (which I assume is important, since you've gotten into fights with rival pastors about it), or even literally what we should practically do.

Without actual instruction, all you have is mental masturbation. Feeding your ego and your persecution complex.

 

[abaddon]

First show me a sect that believes in any of the fairy tales I have listed (Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters). And their rationale (even if crazy) to show that such things exist.

They are turned into a major "strawman argument". You cannot see the strawman for the straw in your eyes. Look you believe in God - there is as much proof as proof of dragons.

Rubbish - the prophets who believed in God did wonders. There are many many examples of people who have found God and became changed people who have made a positive difference in this world.

Your orbiting teapot believer just sits in his armchair with his critical imagination, as do some you Pastafarians.

Evidence that any "prophet" performed wonders, please.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Evidence that any "prophet" performed wonders, please.

Well, he can't claim 'it's all in the Bible' in this thread, because that doesn't help his argument that he's not describing mythology.
I predict he's going to go for one of his "Muhammad was a great general and Islam grew really fast" tangents.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Nope, sorry. More mental masturbation. I was not taught anything. All you have said is that you are holy and special and good and we should follow you

Well you did pick up something. But by the tail. All those attributes came with evidence. And it was not about me. It was about you being deprived of all those attributes. Before I came you were vaguely aware of those attributes existing. Now you know more. You know the way in having them as part of your own life. If after this you still are living without what you could have had we would just shake our head and say. He rejected it. That is worse than not having known about it.

You have also claimed to love us like your children, but you do not know us, and you have never done anything for us.

To reject Love is bad. God know you very well and He died for you. That Love of His is what is in me. That is why I said what I said.

It's very easy to make grandiose claims if you never have to back them up.

Now you understand that God back them up.

That is not instruction, that is self-gratification.

And now you will understand that you missed it.

You have nothing to teach. You only post vague nonsense because you have an inflated sense of self-importance.

And maybe you have now a "vague" idea of the Truth.

 

[abaddon]

Well you did pick up something. But by the tail. All those attributes came with evidence. And it was not about me. It was about you being deprived of all those attributes. Before I came you were vaguely aware of those attributes existing. Now you know more. You know the way in having them as part of your own life. If after this you still are living without what you could have had we would just shake our head and say. He rejected it. That is worse than not having known about it.

The only "more" we know is that you have nothing at all to teach beyond the scale of your ego and that you are some form of transgender. Not particularly useful.

To reject Love is bad. God know you very well and He died for you. That Love of His is what is in me. That is why I said what I said.

What you have self described is not love and your god did not die in any meaningful sense. At worst, he was temporarily inconvenienced for a weekend. Unless you are going to claim there was no resurrection.

It's very easy to make grandiose claims if you never have to back them up.

Now you understand that God back them up.



And now you will understand that you missed it.



And maybe you have now a "vague" idea of the Truth.

All we have from you are vague assertions of incoherent ideas with nothing to back them up at all.

 

[Johanabrahams]

That rather proves my point. You failed at real life so you created a pretend god life.

You missed my bible. There you would see that I was at 28 a Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church. I was married with a wife with a degree fitting in nicely with me in society and had a healthy beautiful daughter who everybody admired. I was a leader in the leading, the richest and most influential church in South Africa. I was also the only person in that position in Stanford. Nobody else to share it with. And at that stage religion was really the leading authority in South Africa. So life was about me and only me. It seems to me that I really made it to the top. That is now if you can fathom my situation.

To "create" a god and give up all of this for my "fake creation" means that I got mad.

But at this point I had another meeting with God. Here He explained to me something better than all of this. And I gave it up for that something. And then He started changing my live to include that something that I have now.

I know. To you it is madness. But I am not mad. So it had to be something better. Something not of this earth. Because the best that the earth had . . .I had it all. The point is now. Is there something more worthy to give up your life for. To you . . .that is madness because to you that something is not existing. To you I have given up my life for nothing. Well come on. Do you not think your idea is "madness"?