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Craig4 said:
Let me help you out. The spiritual life is made up. It's not real.
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You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist. Even the differences and struggle between them is never about His existence. Every on that speak in that sphere of life is a witness about the existence of God and on the fact that he/she met Him in a certain way. You will not understand people speaking about God without this understanding. It will look like madness or ignorance or whatever your reasoning. But whatever your reasoning you will not be satisfied with it. The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.

Craig4 said:
I have no spiritual mother because there are no gods and there are no spirits in the sense you're talking about.
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That is just your opinion. And because you have not met Him you can not say that He does not exist. About the "spiritual mother": You will not understand me and my reasons and motivation to be here except in that context.
 
Johanabrahams said:
You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist. Even the differences and struggle between them is never about His existence. Every on that speak in that sphere of life is a witness about the existence of God and on the fact that he/she met Him in a certain way. You will not understand people speaking about God without this understanding. It will look like madness or ignorance or whatever your reasoning. But whatever your reasoning you will not be satisfied with it. The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.



That is just your opinion. And because you have not met Him you can not say that He does not exist. About the "spiritual mother": You will not understand me and my reasons and motivation to be here except in that context.
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Show evidence of his existence.
 
Craig4 said:
I've never said you were against the Bible. I claim no expertise in the Bible so I have no idea if you're in compliance with it or not. I don't particularly care if you are or not. Gods don't exist; therefore texts claiming to speak for them are unimportant.
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Ok. Gods do no exist according to you. You live a life that has no future.

You actually need a future. You need something to live for. Only an animal can live without a future. You are more.
 
Johanabrahams said:
You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist. Even the differences and struggle between them is never about His existence. Every on that speak in that sphere of life is a witness about the existence of God and on the fact that he/she met Him in a certain way. You will not understand people speaking about God without this understanding. It will look like madness or ignorance or whatever your reasoning. But whatever your reasoning you will not be satisfied with it. The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.



That is just your opinion. And because you have not met Him you can not say that He does not exist. About the "spiritual mother": You will not understand me and my reasons and motivation to be here except in that context.
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Johan, as I've told you before, none of this can be considered as teaching us anything.

You keep telling us how super special you are for knowing/being God. That's not a lesson, that's an ego trip.

If you believe you have a special insight to share, then share it.

And no, 'I am so awesome for knowing the truth, just hang on and let me tell you how great I am again' does not qualify.
 
Craig4 said:
You're the god, figure it out.
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Then there is no relationship and no conversation. Even in your existence you should realize that meaningful conversation and relationship is in giving of yourself. I do not say that you should reach the level of what I have given but I came a long way. As for starters you can give just a little bit and experience the result. Then you will understand God giving us a Bible and me having one too. The more we share the better relationship gets. But only in an atmosphere of grace. In a normal human relationship it is "scary" to reveal oneself.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/general-discussion-forum/forgiveness-97386/?topicseen
 
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Johanabrahams said:
You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist. Even the differences and struggle between them is never about His existence. Every on that speak in that sphere of life is a witness about the existence of God and on the fact that he/she met Him in a certain way. You will not understand people speaking about God without this understanding. It will look like madness or ignorance or whatever your reasoning. But whatever your reasoning you will not be satisfied with it. The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.
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You accept Judaism? Islam? Hinduism? Buddhism? Shamanism? Druidism? Voodooism? Satanism? Paganism? New Ageism in all it's forms? Deism? Pantheism? Panentheism? B'ahai? Polytheism?

Your argument logically requires that you must, because all of those believers couldn't possibly be mad or ignorant, right?

Surely they could not all be mad and by your own argument, you must accept all of those and many, many more.

And what of your own peculiar flavour of christianity? Just one out of an estimated 30,000 flavours of christianity. Most of those would outright reject your version. They cannot be all mad or ignorant by your own argument.

Johanabrahams said:
That is just your opinion.
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Everything you post is "just your opinion".

Johanabrahams said:
And because you have not met Him you can not say that He does not exist.
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I have seen no evidence for the existence of any of the many claimed deities. None. No more that there is evidence for universe forming pixies. Do you believe the universe was created by universe forming pixies? Why not?

Johanabrahams said:
About the "spiritual mother": You will not understand me and my reasons and motivation to be here except in that context.
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I did my research, I understand exactly what motivates you to make such claims. Now, I refuse to publicly post to whom I spoke, nor what they told me as that would be unfair to you, and to them for that matter. In fact, the condition of any communications was that they not be republished and that anonymity was sacrosanct. I respect that. But don't be under some illusion that you can pull the wool over my eyes with your sanctimonious baloney.
 
Hokulele said:
Dragons are real?

Huh...
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The difference between adult woo-deniers and adult believers is that believers know the difference between fairy tales and reality.

Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters are to entertain kids (or the kids in us) as fairy tales.

God, the supernatural, souls and spirits and telepathy to mention a few are reality but not provable - just as the birth of the universe is reality and a prime cause is reality but probably unknowable.

The con artists market psychic surgery, teleportation, telekinesis and things that fall into the category of major miracles. They are frauds. A major miracle may be possible but only a few may have happened.
 
PartSkeptic said:
The difference between adult woo-deniers and adult believers is that believers know the difference between fairy tales and reality.

Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters are to entertain kids (or the kids in us) as fairy tales.

God, the supernatural, souls and spirits and telepathy to mention a few are reality but not provable - just as the birth of the universe is reality and a prime cause is reality but probably unknowable.

The con artists market psychic surgery, teleportation, telekinesis and things that fall into the category of major miracles. They are frauds. A major miracle may be possible but only a few may have happened.
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Argument by assertion. How quaint.

Edit: I am sure that all the depictions of dragons in art and antique beastiaries are just to entertain children...
 
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PartSkeptic said:
The difference between adult woo-deniers and adult believers is that believers know the difference between fairy tales and reality.

Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters are to entertain kids (or the kids in us) as fairy tales.

God, the supernatural, souls and spirits and telepathy to mention a few are reality but not provable - just as the birth of the universe is reality and a prime cause is reality but probably unknowable.

The con artists market psychic surgery, teleportation, telekinesis and things that fall into the category of major miracles. They are frauds. A major miracle may be possible but only a few may have happened.
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Spaghetti Monsters are not fairy tales. Why on earth would you say that?
 
PartSkeptic said:
The difference between adult woo-deniers and adult believers is that believers know the difference between fairy tales and reality.

Dragons, goblins, leprechauns, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, unicorns, orbiting teapots, spaghetti monsters are to entertain kids (or the kids in us) as fairy tales.

God, the supernatural, souls and spirits and telepathy to mention a few are reality but not provable - just as the birth of the universe is reality and a prime cause is reality but probably unknowable.

The con artists market psychic surgery, teleportation, telekinesis and things that fall into the category of major miracles. They are frauds. A major miracle may be possible but only a few may have happened.
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"Your myths are fiction, but my myths are real."
Yeah, very believable.
 
Johanabrahams said:
You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist.
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Each believer simply inherits conviction from authority—thus forming a chain of trust, unshackled by what is real.

The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.
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Your error requires no overt madness: ignorance suffices.
 
Johanabrahams said:
You do not really believe that so many will make up something that does not exist. Even the differences and struggle between them is never about His existence. Every on that speak in that sphere of life is a witness about the existence of God and on the fact that he/she met Him in a certain way. You will not understand people speaking about God without this understanding. It will look like madness or ignorance or whatever your reasoning. But whatever your reasoning you will not be satisfied with it. The reason is that all of those people can not be mad. They also can not be ignorant. Or whatever your reasoning.



That is just your opinion. And because you have not met Him you can not say that He does not exist. About the "spiritual mother": You will not understand me and my reasons and motivation to be here except in that context.
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No one has a future after death. You just stop. Your pretend life as a god can't change that.
 
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