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The Growth of the UFO Myth

Cosmic Yak said:
According to the New York Times. I can find no other source for this quote.
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You can make a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) for his report to Congress, and I might add that he was not only the first Director of the CIA, but he wanted a public disclosure of UFO evidence.

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter was also a classmate of Major Donald E. Keyhoe, the person who was in the process of revealing very sensitive information on what the US government knew about UFOs. Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter was also on the National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomenon's (NICAP) board of governors.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Cosmic Yak said:
According to the New York Times. I can find no other source for this quote.
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You can make a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) for his report to Congress, and I might add that he was not only the first Director of the CIA, but he wanted a public disclosure of UFO evidence.
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In other words, you don't have any other corroboration for this quote, and you are expecting me to do your research for you. Not going to happen, I'm afraid.

skyeagle409 said:
Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter was also a classmate of Major Donald E. Keyhoe, the person who was in the process of revealing very sensitive information on what the US government knew about UFOs. Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter was also on the National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomenon's (NICAP) board of governors.
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Is this mundane coincidence supposed to make their alleged testimony more credible? Because I don't think it does.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
In other words, you don't have any other corroboration for this quote, and you are expecting me to do your research for you. Not going to happen, I'm afraid.
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On the contrary, make the request under the FOIA as I have said. You have the date, source and other information needed to obtain his report and while you are at it, make a request for the Coyote landing File. Here's a bit of information for you.

Documented Kirtland AFB Flying Saucer Landing

An UFO landed in the Coyote Canyon area not far from Kirtland AFB in 1980, and later, it was determined that a strange jamming signal, which was knocking out radar systems, came from the area of the reported UFO landing site.
On 13 Aug 80, 1960 COMM Sq Maintenance Officer reported RADAR Approach Control equipment and scanner radar inoperative due to high frequency jamming from an unknown cause. Total blackout of entire RADAR approach system to include Albuquerque Airport was in effect between 1630-2215 hrs (4:30 PM-1015 PM). Radar Approach Control back up system also were inoperative.
On 13 Aug 80, Defense Nuclear Agency Radio Frequency Monitors determined, by vector analysis, the interference was being sent from an area (V-90 degrees or due East). On DAF map coordinates E-28.6. The area was located NW of Coyote Canyon Test area. It was first thought that Sandia Laboratory, which utilizes the test range was responsible. However, after a careful check, it was later determined that no tests were being conducted in the canyon area. Department of Energy, Air Force Weapons Laboratory and DNA were contacted but assured that their agencies were not responsible.

SUMMARY OF INFORMATION

1. On 2 Sept 80, SOURCE related on 8 Aug 80, three Security Policemen assigned to 1608 SPS, KAFB, NM, on duty inside the Manzano Weapons Storage Area sighted an unidentified light in the air that traveled from North to South over the Coyote Canyon area of the Department of Defense Restricted Test Range on KAFB, NM. The Security Policemen identified as: SSGT STEPHEN FERENZ, Area Supervisor, ATC MARTIN W. RIST and AMN ANTHONY D. FRAZIER, were later interviewed separately by SOURCE and all three related the same statement; at approximately 2350 hrs., while on duty in Charlie Sector, East Side of Manzano, the three observed a very bright light in the sky approximately 3 miles North-North East of their position.

The light traveled with great speed and stopped suddenly in the sky over Coyote Canyon. The three first thought the object was a helicopter, however, after observing the strange aerial maneuvers (stop and go), they felt a helicopter couldn't have performed such skills. The light landed in the Coyote Canyon area. Sometime later, three witnessed the light take off and leave proceeding straight up at a high speed and disappear.
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And then, you can review the contents in the following now, declassified report, which is available online.


HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE

DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE

WASHINGTON, D.C.

TOP SECRET AF cy 102

CONTROL

No 6637



I might add that we are now on the road to full official disclosure, but it is still years away.

India to annouce UFO's are REAL

http://www.bestofindya.com/news/story.php?...e_UFOs_are_REAL


Chile announces UFOs are for real:

On 2nd April 1997, Chilean newspaper "La Cuarta" has the following headline: "UFO Sighting of Arica is Confirmed by La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil." Chile did start to join the small number of countries who officially stated that the nature of UFOs is of intelligent driven flying machines.


Brazilian Air Force Opens Its UFO Files to Public

They were talking about UFO files and UFO reality and their research of UFOs, how they are not able to fully understand because of the technology involved is far beyond their comprehension. They were speaking openly for about 15 minutes on national television.



Peru Sets Up Official UFO Office

The Miami Herald, Wednesday, January 23, 2002 LIMA

Peru's air force has set up a nationwide system to track alleged UFOs, ...

http://www.labyrinthina.com/ufo4.htm


Vatican Admits On National TV That ET Contact IS REAL

http://home.wanadoo.nl/mufooz/engels/vatican-ET.htm


UFOs are real - Former Canadian Defense Minister

(PRWEB) - OTTAWA, CANADA (PRWEB) November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with ETs.

By ETs, Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canadas Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

Military Nuclear Specialists Testify To UFO Reality

Several military and intelligence witnesses who were Strategic Air Command ...SAC) and other nuclear specialists have come forward with testimony proving that UFOs are real and appear to be concerned about our nuclear weapons.


UN 'to appoint space ambassador to greet alien visitors'

A space ambassador could be appointed by the United Nations to act as the first point of contact for aliens trying to communicate with Earth.

Opinion is divided about how future extraterrestrial visitors should be greeted. Under the Outer Space Treaty on 1967, which Unoosa oversees, UN members agreed to protect Earth against contamination by alien species by “sterilising” them.

Mrs Othman is understood to support a more tolerant approach.

But Professor Stephen Hawking has warned that alien interlopers should be treated with caution.

He said: “I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. The outcome for us would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...space-ambassador-to-greet-alien-visitors.html
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Now that the United States has begun the task of releasing its declassified UFO files from the National Archives, it is just a matter of time.
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
According to the New York Times. I can find no other source for this quote.
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skyeagle409 said:
You can make a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) for his report to Congress, and I might add that he was not only the first Director of the CIA, but he wanted a public disclosure of UFO evidence.

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter was also a classmate of Major Donald E. Keyhoe, the person who was in the process of revealing very sensitive information on what the US government knew about UFOs. Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter was also on the National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomenon's (NICAP) board of governors.
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skyeagle409 said:
On the contrary, make the request under the FOIA as I have said. You have the date, source and other information needed to obtain his report
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Nope. Your claim, your burden of proof. What have you yourself done to substantiate this quote? If you have nothing more than an unsubstantiated newspaper story, why are you posting it as evidence?

skyeagle409 said:
and while you are at it, make a request for the Coyote landing File. Here's a bit of information for you.
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I have asked before that you stop the Gish Gallop. I'm not chasing after any more of your rabbits.
 
Well, the light of truth has been shone on UFOs and they've been found to be mundane, Earthly things every time. Do we really need to keep giving the 'UFOs are extraterrestrial' brigade the oxygen of publicity/response thread after thread, page after page?

The ubiquity of smartphones with cameras means we should be seeing more evidence of extraterrestrial presence on Earth if it exists, not less!
 
Arisia said:
Well, the light of truth has been shone on UFOs and they've been found to be mundane, Earthly things every time. Do we really need to keep giving the 'UFOs are extraterrestrial' brigade the oxygen of publicity/response thread after thread, page after page?
The ubiquity of smartphones with cameras means we should be seeing more evidence of extraterrestrial presence on Earth if it exists, not less!
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Been mentioned numerous times in the past - there is an obvious connection between UFO's and bigfoots.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Nope. Your claim, your burden of proof.
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The source and other information is there for all to see and I told you to use the FOIA to verify what I have posted. It's that simple. My challenge of for you to use the FOIA to verify what I have posted is true. Are you willing to take up my challenge?

I can help you out.

CIA Chief Reports on UFO Cover-up in New York Times

http://www.phils.com.au/nytarticle.htm


THE FACADE

https://books.google.com/books?id=q...P press conference in Washington D.C.&f=false


Behind the scenes high ranking officers are soberly concerned about UFOs, but through official secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to believe that the unknown flying objects are nonsense. . .To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel."

-Admiral Roscoe Hillencoter, former director of the CIA, at a 1962 NICAP press conference in Washington D.C.


"It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings. Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel".

(New York Times, the 28.th of February 1960).


It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects.

Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, signed statement to Congress, August 22, 1960.
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I wish to follow up with this information.


United Press International (February 28, 1960). "AIR FORGE ORDER ON 'SAUCERS' CITED;
Pamphlet by the Inspector General Called Objects a 'Serious Business'" (Fee).
The New York Times. p. 30. Retrieved 2009-03-30. "WASHINGTON, February 27

(UPI) – The Air Force has sent its commands a warning to treat sightings of unidentified flying objects as "serious business" directly related to the nation's defense, it was learned today."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A00E3D81F39EF32A2575BC2A9649C946191D6CF&legacy=true
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I would just like to say this:

A government report saying that something strange happened in no way proves that the thing that happened was an alien spacecraft. Of all the giant images and words written by people about what they think, not one of them has been definitive proof that aliens are visiting earth. At best it's circumstantial, at worst it's outright lies (as has been demonstrated plenty of times by others).
 
skyeagle409 said:
The source and other information is there for all to see and I told you to use the FOIA to verify what I have posted. It's that simple. My challenge of for you to use the FOIA to verify what I have posted is true. Are you willing to take up my challenge?
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Endless attempts to shift the burden of proof are only wasting your time.

The "source" you quote is hearsay from the NYT. Reposting hearsay doesn't make it any more true.

Do you know the source of the NYT's report or not?
 
RoboTimbo said:
Have any UFOs ever been confirmed to be alien spaceships?
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Yes! The US military knew decades ago the objects were not of this earth.

"Captain Edward J.Ruppelt, former chief of Project Blue Book, has confirmed the existence of four important documents that should be noted. In 1948, in a "Top Secret" estimate, the (Air Technical Intelligence Center, Wright-Patterson AFB) concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships. In 1952, an Air Force Intelligence analysis of UFO maneuvers brought the same conclusion... interplanetary."
"The Robertson Panel in 1953 saw UFOs as a danger and sought to hide the truth from the American public, thus enter the CIA's UFO debunking and spying campaign.

A CIA memo from 1976 "tells how the agency is still having to 'keep in touch with reporting channels' in ufology (in other words, to spy on UFO groups."

The Air Force knew the Roswell incident involved extraterrestrials when it reported that it captured a flying saucer. Later, the Air Force said that it was a weather balloon and that story held for 47 years. In 1994, the Air Force changed its story and said the Roswell incident involved a classified Project Mogul balloon train #4 on June 4, 1947, which was a full month before Brazel discovered the debris field on the Foster ranch and he would have been in the field attending to sheep occasionally between June 4, and June 30 and yet he saw no debris field until the first week of July. In 1997, the Air Force added bodies to the Roswell story and said that alien bodies people saw were test dummies for Project High Dive. The problem with the Air Force's Project High Dive explanation is that Project High Dive test were not carried out until the 1950s. Amazingly, Colonel Raymond Madson who headed "Project High Dive" said the Air Force was lying when it claimed his test dummies were misidentified as alien bodies.

AF ROSWELL STUDY CONTRIBUTOR ADMITS "IT WAS ET!"

The Lt. Colonel who was a major contributor to the Air Force's official 1997 study that concluded that the Roswell ET crash of 1947 is a "myth"- now states that the Air Force's Roswell report is itself a lie. The Colonel goes further to state that what he really believes to be true is that aliens actually did crash to Earth decades ago! He adds that he was "used" and that the the author of the Air Force report "was on a mission" with no interest in discovering what really happened at Roswell.

Amazingly, Madson believes that an extraterrestrial crash actually had happened - and that the bodies were stored for a period of time at Wright Patterson! He bases this on the fact that he himself had served at Wright Patterson in the early 1950's -before going to Holloman AFB to conduct the crash dummy tests. He personally had heard -just a few years after the Roswell event- directly from "others who would have been positioned to know" that there was a "very secure facility" at the base that served as the storage place for the alien bodies that were recovered from a crash sometime before he began employment at Wright.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ParanormalGhostSociety/conversations/topics/69241
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Notice that Lt. Colonel Madson spoke about Wright-Patterson AFB, which is where the Air Force concluded that the UFOs in question were "Interplanetary Spaceships." Let's take a look here.


General Arthur E. Exon, Commanding Officer, Wright-Patterson AFB

(RUCU) (C&S, p. 191, 194)

"...They knew they had something new in their hands. The metal and material was unknown to anyone I talked to. Whatever they found, I never heard what the results were. A couple of guys thought it might be Russian, but the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space. Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it. ...Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space."

June Crain, Wright-Patterson AFB Secretary Interview

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pdf/crainclarkson.pdf

https://www.amazon.com/TELL-MY-STORY-Crain-Force/dp/1450709923
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I might add that Project Mogul balloons were not classified at all and that even Project Mogul balloon teams reported tracking flying saucers over New Mexico. In once case they saw objects hovering 200 miles above the earth.

Document: Objects Hovering at an Altitude of 200 Miles

http://www.roswellproof.com/files/alamogordo_ufos_8_47.gif


HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by
Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

http://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm
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So yes, the government knew decades ago that the UFOs in question were not of this earth and the objects are still being tracked today, whereas, data evidence is then classified TOP SECRET.
 
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arthwollipot said:
I would just like to say this:

A government report saying that something strange happened in no way proves that the thing that happened was an alien spacecraft.
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It goes far beyond that. Are you aware of the mission of the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) and its connections to Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Endless attempts to shift the burden of proof are only wasting your time.
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I've provided evidence, data and declassified documentation and it is up to you to make the judgement call, but to ignore the significance of what they depict won't change reality, and that is, the objects are not those of mankind.
 
skyeagle409 said:
I've provided evidence, data and declassified documentation and it is up to you to make the judgement call, but to ignore the significance of what they depict won't change reality, and that is, the objects are not those of mankind.
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No-one ever suggested that the "objects" were definitely "of mankind". You just can't come to the conclusion Not X therefore Y without first considering whether it's any of the other letters of the alphabet. Make sure you include letters in alphabets you're not familiar with yet.
 
skyeagle409 said:
So yes, the government knew decades ago that the UFOs in question were not of this earth and the objects are still being tracked today, whereas, data evidence is then classified TOP SECRET.
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You continue to answer questions I didn't ask to avoid answering the ones I do ask.

Which UFO has been confirmed to be an alien spaceship?
 
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