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The Growth of the UFO Myth

lpetrich

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Curtis Peebles has written an interesting book, Watch the Skies! A Chronicle of the Flying Saucer Myth (1994). He chronicled in it how it developed over the decades, and it's rather interesting to compare the versions of it for each time period.

Prehistory: mysterious airships, foo fighters, and ghost rockets. They come and go.


1947: Strange disk-shaped air vehicles ("flying saucers") seen. They have flight performance far beyond what Earthling air vehicles are capable of. Over the next two or three years, flying-saucer believers come to believe that they are extraterrestrial spacecraft.

Over the years, large numbers of people see them, people including radar operators, airline pilots, and astronauts/cosmonauts, and they display additional capabilities like stopping cars and making such physical evidence of themselves as padprints.


1948-49: The US Air Force seems to know more about flying saucers than what it is stating in public. By 1950, this became a full-scale coverup, as advocated by Donald Keyhoe and others. In later years, the CIA got in on this coverup, a coverup that has including smearing reliable witnesses as liars and fools.

Mid 1950's: the "Men in Black" get involved in this coverup.


1950: Crashed flying saucers / UFO's. This notion lasted only until 1952, but it was revived in the 1980's. The Roswell case is the best-known one of them.

1980's: Some of our advanced technology was reverse-engineered from crashed UFO's.


1952: UFO contactees. They have close encounters of the friendly kind with benevolent human(oid) "Space Brothers" and "Space Sisters" who come from Star-Trek techno-utopian societies. They want the contactees to spread the word that nuclear-weapons development is recklessly risking self-destruction and that humanity can do better than what it is now doing.

The contactees do either physical contact (meeting the ET's in person), telepathic contact (spiritualist-medium channeling of the ET's), or both.

Contactism faded in the 1960's, but some contactees continue to be active, notably Billy Meier.

The contactees provoked a split in UFOlogy, with the more respectable of UFOlogists, like Donald Keyhoe, becoming completely skeptical of them.


1957: UFO abductees. Antonio Villas-Boas was the first, but it was the 1961 Betty and Barney Hill case that first got a lot of attention. Abductees' memories are often blocked, though hypnotists can undo that blocking. The abductions are for medical examinations and experiments and gamete extractions, making the abductors seem like wildlife biologists. It took some years for the more respectable UFOlogists to take abductee cases seriously, since they seemed too much like contactee cases.

1980's: Many of the abductors are the Grays, sort-of human-shaped ET's with gray skin, big heads, and small bodies and limbs.


1960's: UFO's involved with domestic-animal mutilations, notably cattle mutilations.


I don't know of any big twists in the UFO story since then, with the possible exception of the recent proliferation of camera-equipped smartphones.


So UFO's are a story that grew in the telling over the years. There are some questions that Curtis Peebles did not adequately address, or at least that's what it seems like to me.


Why did flying saucers succeed where their predecessors failed?

I think that there may be two reasons.

The first is magazine editor Ray Palmer. In the 1940's, he was editor of science-fiction magazine Amazing Stories, and he ran as nonfiction the Great Shaver Mystery. A certain Richard Shaver claimed that many of our misfortunes are caused by nasty "deros" tormenting up with their rays, and he even claimed to have visited their underground-cavern homes. It turned up later that he was a mental hospital the whole time, hospitalized for paranoid schizophrenia. His superiors eventually shut down the series, and Ray Palmer went on to start the paranormal magazine Fate. It covered flying saucers from its beginning, and in it, he kept the notion going after the fading of the first big wave of flying-saucer sightings. So as a sensation monger, he scored twice, first with deros and then with flying saucers.

The second is the US Air Force's involvement and the coverup conspiracy theory that many UFOlogists came to believe about it. The USAF was involved out of the possibility that flying saucers could be secret Russian airplanes or balloons. Some early USAF investigators apparently believed in the extraterrestrial-spacecraft hypothesis, though the USAF did not talk publicly about that. This was turned into the theory that the USAF knows that flying saucers are extraterrestrial spacecraft, but is covering it up.


Finally, UFO contact vs. UFO abduction cases. I think that the accounts of contactees provoked a lot of skepticism because to many people, they seemed too good to be true. UFO abductees' accounts don't have that quality.
 
Curtis Peebles has written an interesting book, Watch the Skies! A Chronicle of the Flying Saucer Myth (1994). He chronicled in it how it developed over the decades, and it's rather interesting to compare the versions of it for each time period.

Prehistory: mysterious airships, foo fighters, and ghost rockets. They come and go.


1947: Strange disk-shaped air vehicles ("flying saucers") seen. They have flight performance far beyond what Earthling air vehicles are capable of. Over the next two or three years, flying-saucer believers come to believe that they are extraterrestrial spacecraft.

Over the years, large numbers of people see them, people including radar operators, airline pilots, and astronauts/cosmonauts, and they display additional capabilities like stopping cars and making such physical evidence of themselves as padprints.


1948-49: The US Air Force seems to know more about flying saucers than what it is stating in public. By 1950, this became a full-scale coverup, as advocated by Donald Keyhoe and others. In later years, the CIA got in on this coverup, a coverup that has including smearing reliable witnesses as liars and fools.

Mid 1950's: the "Men in Black" get involved in this coverup.


1950: Crashed flying saucers / UFO's. This notion lasted only until 1952, but it was revived in the 1980's. The Roswell case is the best-known one of them.

1980's: Some of our advanced technology was reverse-engineered from crashed UFO's.


1952: UFO contactees. They have close encounters of the friendly kind with benevolent human(oid) "Space Brothers" and "Space Sisters" who come from Star-Trek techno-utopian societies. They want the contactees to spread the word that nuclear-weapons development is recklessly risking self-destruction and that humanity can do better than what it is now doing.

The contactees do either physical contact (meeting the ET's in person), telepathic contact (spiritualist-medium channeling of the ET's), or both.

Contactism faded in the 1960's, but some contactees continue to be active, notably Billy Meier.

The contactees provoked a split in UFOlogy, with the more respectable of UFOlogists, like Donald Keyhoe, becoming completely skeptical of them.


1957: UFO abductees. Antonio Villas-Boas was the first, but it was the 1961 Betty and Barney Hill case that first got a lot of attention. Abductees' memories are often blocked, though hypnotists can undo that blocking. The abductions are for medical examinations and experiments and gamete extractions, making the abductors seem like wildlife biologists. It took some years for the more respectable UFOlogists to take abductee cases seriously, since they seemed too much like contactee cases.

1980's: Many of the abductors are the Grays, sort-of human-shaped ET's with gray skin, big heads, and small bodies and limbs.


1960's: UFO's involved with domestic-animal mutilations, notably cattle mutilations.


I don't know of any big twists in the UFO story since then, with the possible exception of the recent proliferation of camera-equipped smartphones.


So UFO's are a story that grew in the telling over the years. There are some questions that Curtis Peebles did not adequately address, or at least that's what it seems like to me.


Why did flying saucers succeed where their predecessors failed?

I think that there may be two reasons.

The first is magazine editor Ray Palmer. In the 1940's, he was editor of science-fiction magazine Amazing Stories, and he ran as nonfiction the Great Shaver Mystery. A certain Richard Shaver claimed that many of our misfortunes are caused by nasty "deros" tormenting up with their rays, and he even claimed to have visited their underground-cavern homes. It turned up later that he was a mental hospital the whole time, hospitalized for paranoid schizophrenia. His superiors eventually shut down the series, and Ray Palmer went on to start the paranormal magazine Fate. It covered flying saucers from its beginning, and in it, he kept the notion going after the fading of the first big wave of flying-saucer sightings. So as a sensation monger, he scored twice, first with deros and then with flying saucers.

The second is the US Air Force's involvement and the coverup conspiracy theory that many UFOlogists came to believe about it. The USAF was involved out of the possibility that flying saucers could be secret Russian airplanes or balloons. Some early USAF investigators apparently believed in the extraterrestrial-spacecraft hypothesis, though the USAF did not talk publicly about that. This was turned into the theory that the USAF knows that flying saucers are extraterrestrial spacecraft, but is covering it up.


Finally, UFO contact vs. UFO abduction cases. I think that the accounts of contactees provoked a lot of skepticism because to many people, they seemed too good to be true. UFO abductees' accounts don't have that quality.

Abandonderos to be precise!!! (re: Ray Palmer - not the Atom though the Atom was named for the editor...........)
 
Curtis Peebles has written an interesting book, Watch the Skies! A Chronicle of the Flying Saucer Myth (1994). He chronicled in it how it developed over the decades, and it's rather interesting to compare the versions of it for each time period.

Prehistory: mysterious airships, foo fighters, and ghost rockets. They come and go.


1947: Strange disk-shaped air vehicles ("flying saucers") seen. They have flight performance far beyond what Earthling air vehicles are capable of. Over the next two or three years, flying-saucer believers come to believe that they are extraterrestrial spacecraft.

Over the years, large numbers of people see them, people including radar operators, airline pilots, and astronauts/cosmonauts, and they display additional capabilities like stopping cars and making such physical evidence of themselves as padprints.


1948-49: The US Air Force seems to know more about flying saucers than what it is stating in public. By 1950, this became a full-scale coverup, as advocated by Donald Keyhoe and others. In later years, the CIA got in on this coverup, a coverup that has including smearing reliable witnesses as liars and fools.

Mid 1950's: the "Men in Black" get involved in this coverup.


1950: Crashed flying saucers / UFO's. This notion lasted only until 1952, but it was revived in the 1980's. The Roswell case is the best-known one of them.

1980's: Some of our advanced technology was reverse-engineered from crashed UFO's.


1952: UFO contactees. They have close encounters of the friendly kind with benevolent human(oid) "Space Brothers" and "Space Sisters" who come from Star-Trek techno-utopian societies. They want the contactees to spread the word that nuclear-weapons development is recklessly risking self-destruction and that humanity can do better than what it is now doing.

The contactees do either physical contact (meeting the ET's in person), telepathic contact (spiritualist-medium channeling of the ET's), or both.

Contactism faded in the 1960's, but some contactees continue to be active, notably Billy Meier.

The contactees provoked a split in UFOlogy, with the more respectable of UFOlogists, like Donald Keyhoe, becoming completely skeptical of them.


1957: UFO abductees. Antonio Villas-Boas was the first, but it was the 1961 Betty and Barney Hill case that first got a lot of attention. Abductees' memories are often blocked, though hypnotists can undo that blocking. The abductions are for medical examinations and experiments and gamete extractions, making the abductors seem like wildlife biologists. It took some years for the more respectable UFOlogists to take abductee cases seriously, since they seemed too much like contactee cases.

1980's: Many of the abductors are the Grays, sort-of human-shaped ET's with gray skin, big heads, and small bodies and limbs.


1960's: UFO's involved with domestic-animal mutilations, notably cattle mutilations.


I don't know of any big twists in the UFO story since then, with the possible exception of the recent proliferation of camera-equipped smartphones.


So UFO's are a story that grew in the telling over the years. There are some questions that Curtis Peebles did not adequately address, or at least that's what it seems like to me.


Why did flying saucers succeed where their predecessors failed?

I think that there may be two reasons.

The first is magazine editor Ray Palmer. In the 1940's, he was editor of science-fiction magazine Amazing Stories, and he ran as nonfiction the Great Shaver Mystery. A certain Richard Shaver claimed that many of our misfortunes are caused by nasty "deros" tormenting up with their rays, and he even claimed to have visited their underground-cavern homes. It turned up later that he was a mental hospital the whole time, hospitalized for paranoid schizophrenia. His superiors eventually shut down the series, and Ray Palmer went on to start the paranormal magazine Fate. It covered flying saucers from its beginning, and in it, he kept the notion going after the fading of the first big wave of flying-saucer sightings. So as a sensation monger, he scored twice, first with deros and then with flying saucers.

The second is the US Air Force's involvement and the coverup conspiracy theory that many UFOlogists came to believe about it. The USAF was involved out of the possibility that flying saucers could be secret Russian airplanes or balloons. Some early USAF investigators apparently believed in the extraterrestrial-spacecraft hypothesis, though the USAF did not talk publicly about that. This was turned into the theory that the USAF knows that flying saucers are extraterrestrial spacecraft, but is covering it up.


Finally, UFO contact vs. UFO abduction cases. I think that the accounts of contactees provoked a lot of skepticism because to many people, they seemed too good to be true. UFO abductees' accounts don't have that quality.

Interesting how UFO technology always stays just one step ahead of human technology.
 
Baring prehistory where people mistake shape for something they are not, pretty much from 1947 onward you are far better off to compare with films , book cover and comic which were published shortly before. You might find interesting relationship.

Just sayin'
 
Interesting how UFO technology always stays just one step ahead of human technology.

Any details?

That seems rather evident about the mysterious airships. That was a much-discussed technology around when those vehicles were seen.

It's not quite so evident about spacecraft, since they were a common staple of science fiction for some decades before Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting.


It must be pointed out that the extraterrestrial-spacecraft hypothesis for many UFO sightings requires some rather performance characteristics far ahead of our air vehicles, something pointed out since the beginning of our UFO era. They'd require some science-fictional technology like antigravity to work, it seems.

Baring prehistory where people mistake shape for something they are not, pretty much from 1947 onward you are far better off to compare with films , book cover and comic which were published shortly before. You might find interesting relationship.

Any details?

I recall something about how rotating flying saucers appeared in movies before they appeared in UFO reports.

There are some UFO shapes that don't have much connection with such media, like black triangles. Those ones seem to me like they are likely secret stealth aircraft -- their appearance matches rather well. I'm also unaware of any black-triangle meme before black-triangle sightings started in the 1980's. Cigar shapes are rather iffy, since those are what rockets and missiles and airplane fuselages are shaped like.
 
I've found this: World UFO Day 2015 - Official website

Curiously, its date is July 2, a date associated with the Roswell incident, instead of the date of Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting, June 24.

I would have preferred the Kenneth Arnold date, since his sighting is relatively typical of UFO sightings: distant, poorly-resolved objects.

However, the Roswell incident is the sort of thing that would provide strong evidence for the extraterrestrial hypothesis if it held up.
 
Baring prehistory where people mistake shape for something they are not, pretty much from 1947 onward you are far better off to compare with films , book cover and comic which were published shortly before. You might find interesting relationship.

Just sayin'

I watched a very interesting doco some years ago, where they compared the effects each movie had on UFO sightings,
very interesting psychology there..
 
I used to be into the UFO scene.

My first big red flag came when I realized that the phenomenon had completely changed between 1975 and 1985. In the 50s, 60s & 70s the craft would land. They had landing gear, left imprints in the ground (allegedly), burned vegetation, and radioactive residue (again, allegedly). After 1985 the craft just hovered or floated.

Suddenly the UFO folks had their excuse for no physical evidence.
 
I recall something about how rotating flying saucers appeared in movies before they appeared in UFO reports.


I recall reading that reports of encounters with Greys, as opposed to aliens of other types, increased significantly after 1987 (the publication of Communion).
 
I recommend the documentary Mirage Men, currently available on netflix. It covers USAF dissemination of ufo disinformation to deflect attention from the top secret aviation experiments they were conducting.
 
So calling some secret airplanes UFO's was a way of covering them up? Seems like that may also be going on with at least some black-triangle UFO's.

I've seen that theory for the Soviet Union also, that the Soviet authorities did that with some tests of a FOBS (Fractional Orbital Bombardment System) nuclear-weapons system: "Soviet Saucers" by James Oberg, The Great Soviet UFO Coverup
 
So calling some secret airplanes UFO's was a way of covering them up? Seems like that may also be going on with at least some black-triangle UFO's.

Roswell seems to be the result of a top secret US Air Force surveillance program that they had to lie about. It was listening devices that needed very precise altitudes over long periods of time in order to be effective, so in addition to the audio gizmos you had ballast control gizmos that needed to be hooked to vertical airspeed indicator/altimeter gizmos. You have polyethylene sheeting, some kind of housing material for all of these gizmos and the base structural framing - lots of high tech debris.

So the fact the Air Force lies about it, calling it a weather balloon, immediately gives UFO conspiracy theorists a legitimate claim of cover-up. Any top secret test craft has exactly the same set-up. People see a flying triangle. The Air Force denies it has a radar-defeating test bomber, and now you have numerous incidents of bona-fide cover ups.

So it isn't the Air Force claiming there are UFO's. It is UFO fans turning the fact there are cover-ups into a claim there are aliens visiting earth.
 
Roswell seems to be the result of a top secret US Air Force surveillance program that they had to lie about.
Project Mogul, listening for Soviet atom bomb tests.
So it isn't the Air Force claiming there are UFO's. It is UFO fans turning the fact there are cover-ups into a claim there are aliens visiting earth.

Actually, it was Jesse Marcel, Jr., claiming that he had seen alien artifacts on their dining room table and getting some hack UFO writing to cash in on that.
 
Any details?

I recall something about how rotating flying saucers appeared in movies before they appeared in UFO reports.

There are some UFO shapes that don't have much connection with such media, like black triangles. Those ones seem to me like they are likely secret stealth aircraft -- their appearance matches rather well. I'm also unaware of any black-triangle meme before black-triangle sightings started in the 1980's. Cigar shapes are rather iffy, since those are what rockets and missiles and airplane fuselages are shaped like.

I wish I had kept the link, but it was more than 10 years ago i saw the amateur web page, and unfortunate it either disappeared not maintained, or it is lost in the deluge of web page you find searching for any UFO term. Now that I recall it was not so much about UFO form but alien description in case of abduction and linking to movie/tv serie.
 

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