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smartcooky said:
You whole reasoning is based on three principles.....


Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
I know much more than you think. We didn't have the capability to build and fly manned saucers at high speed because we didn't have the computer power to stabilize a saucer in high speed flight due to the unstable nature of its center-of-gravity much less fly a saucer at 9000+ mph within earth's atmosphere without generating a sonic boom.
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Evidence?
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Simple! Take a frisbee and try to make it fly straight and level for 100 feet and do so without spinning your frisbee. You will then have your proof from an experiment you've conducted. Ever wondered why it is spun in the first place?


Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Let's call it reality. In one case, one of America's top engineers confirmed to me personally that UFOs have been tracked by DSP satellites he developed at Aerojet.
And his name?
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Ron Regehr.


Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Let's just say that in some cases, the saucers have brought the world to the edge of a nuclear war as was the case where the Soviets lost total control of their strategic missiles as they went into launch mode as they reported a saucer hovering over their base.
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Evidence?
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Okay! Let's go here.


Soviet nukes and UFOs

http://www.openminds.tv/soviet-nukes-and-ufos/2002
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Because, I saw one myself in 1968 as the object passed over my base in Vietnam, and upon my one-year deployment, I was assigned to a base that was active in cases where UFOs shutdown our Minuteman missiles.
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I call BS on that. Minuteman missiles were not deployed in Vietnam.
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I never said Minuteman missiles were based in Vietnam. In Vietnam, I was assigned to the 35th Tactical Fighter Wing, which flew the F-100 and the B-57. After my tour, I was sent to Hill AFB, UT, which was the DEPOT base for the Minuteman missile. You've failed to understand what I posted in that regard.


Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Let's just say that I am in a position to know otherwise.
Argument from claimed authority. Show your credentials?
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My name is Aubrey Matthews

* USAF Retired (military and civil service) Phan Rang, Vietnam, Hill AFB, UT, and Travis AFB, CA. After my retirement, I was employed with defense contractors by Raytheon Aerospace, (Travis AFB) AECOM, (Corpus Christi Army Depot, CCAD) L3 Communications, (Travis AFB and CCAD, Vertex Aerospace, (Travis AFB).

I was employed for 18 months civil service with U. S. Navy, submarines, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, CA.

I have invented equipment and special tools for the Air Force, Army, and defense contractors and invented new type of pressure flapper valves used in the Air Force's C-5 transports. I was sent to Pensacola, Florida by the Air Force and Raytheon Aerospace to develop a repair manual for the inlet used by the Air Force's TF-39C engines that at that time, powered the C-5 transport.

I have been in a position as supervisor, inspector and technician during my employment with the Air Force and defense contractors.

Now retired, I am President of the Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), Chapter 1230, and Past President and current Historian for the Lee A. Archer, Jr. Chapter, Tuskegee Airmen, Inc., Travis AFB.

Members of my two chapters consist of Air Force officers and enlisted personnel, military and civilian DoD retirees, military pilots, commercial pilots, flight instructors, private pilots, sport pilots, student pilots, FAA certified mechanics, and non-rated civilians.

I currently conduct speaking engagements, TV, radio, and in person. I was invited by the Grand Texas Airshow organization as a VIP to present the legacy of the Tuskegee Airmen during their airshow on July 1, 2017 at Cleburne, Texas and have conducted speaking engagements before the Department of Veteran Affairs.

I have been instrumental, along with my flying buddy, Lt. Col. James C. Warren, a Tuskegee Airman, and Senator Lois Wolk, to designate a portion of California's I-80 as the "Tuskegee Airmen Memorial Highway." You can find me at these links.

http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...tion-of-highway-dedicated-to-tuskegee-airmen/

http://www.dailyrepublic.com/solano-news/solano-county/i-80-section-dedicated-to-tuskegee-airmen/

http://www.1230.eaachapter.org/

http://www.thereporter.com/article/NG/20170123/NEWS/170129931
 
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Arisia said:
Well, extraterrestrial rocks can't deliberately hide themselves, of course, or be in cahoots with TPTB either. Lack of evidence for extraterrestrial craft clearly means they're very good at hiding themselves, not that they're non-existent.
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They are not very good at hiding. Check out these photos taken from a climbing Air Force jet as the saucer hovered at 30,000 feet above Wright-Patterson AFB, which I might add is where bodies and wreckage from the Roswell crash were taken. General Arthur E. Exon, who overflew the two Roswell crash sites, later became commander of Wright-Patterson AFB.

http://www.nicap.org/images/true3b.jpg

Hovering object that was scanned by radar and seen by ground watchers was caught on film by a climbing jet pilot. These unretouched 35 mm. gun - camera movie frames, released to TRUE by the Air Force, were taken at 30,000 feet, near Wright Field, at 11 a.m. on August 20, 1952.

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Tolls said:
And?
I wouldn't expect an EMP to occur inside the missiles themselves...that would be a pretty daft build.
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It was significant that the finding concluded the EMP came from outside the shielded cable, and what are UFOs known to generate? EMP. What was reported by Air Force security personnel at the time of the shutdown? A UFO hovering overhead.


So we have missiles (that presumably were already to some extent hardened against EMP, and in hardened shelters) being hit by a strong enough EMP to knock them out. In other words fry their systems.


That's quite a big EMP.
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You've got that right and we didn't have anything in the field at that time that could have generated such a pulse that could have passed the shielded cables. Did anyone record it anywhere?
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We can take a look here.

The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident


The late Robert J. Kaminski, who headed the Boeing Company missile engineering team that investigated the case, says he was told by a Boeing-Air Force liaison that UFOs had indeed been sighted in the vicinity of the flight’s launch silos at the time of the missile malfunctions. Kaminski unequivocally states that his team could find no prosaic cause for the failures.


By Robert Kaminski

2-1-1997

"Since this was a field site peculiar incident, a determination was made to send out an investigation team to survey the LCF [Echo Launch Control Facility] and the LFs [Launch Facilities, or silos] to determine what failures or related incidents could be found to explain the cause. The team was made up of qualified engineers and technicians headed by scientific person who was a glaciologist. There were about 5 persons in all that were sent out. After a week in the field the team returned and pooled their data. At the outset the team quickly noticed a lack of anything that would come close to explain why the event occurred. There were no significant failures, engineering data or findings that would explain how ten missiles were knocked off alert. This indeed turned out to be a rare event and not encountered before. The use of backup power systems and other technical system circuit operational redundancy strongly suggests that this kind of event is virtually impossible once the system was up and running and on line with other LCF's and LF's interconnectivity.

[After months of investigation,] the team met with me to report their findings and it was decided that the final report would have nothing significant in it to explain what happened at E-Flight. In other words there was no technical explanation that could explain the event. The team went off to do the report. Meanwhile I was contacted by our representative at OOAMA (Don Peterson) and told by him that the incident was reported as being a UFO event—That a UFO was seen by some Airmen over the LCF [sic] at the time E-Flight went down.
Colonel Walter Figel

On March 16, 1967, 10 Minuteman-I nuclear missiles operated by Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, suddenly malfunctioned one after the other, just as a “large round object” was reported to be hovering “directly over” one of them—according to retired USAF Col. Walter Figel, one of two launch officers on duty at Echo Flight during the incident.

Figel received the startling news while in the flight’s underground launch control center, via a two-way radio call from an Air Force security guard posted at the missile silo in question. Although skeptical, then-Lt. Figel dispatched a couple of two-man Security Alert Teams to the field to investigate. They subsequently confirmed the presence of the UFO.
These astounding admissions were audio-taped, with Col. Figel’s permission, during three of our telephone conversations—in 2008, 2009 and 2010—in which he discussed the incident in great detail. One may listen to those at:

Colonel Walter Figel Interview

WF: Then when the first [missile] went down, and I talked to the security [team] out there, they reported this UFO hovering over the site. I said, “Yeah, right. What have you guys been drinking out there?” And we [sent] Strike teams to both of the sites that had been occupied.

WF: These Strike Teams—I didn’t tell them what we had heard [about the UFO]—you know, via the LF radio, and I told them to go get within a mile of the site there and call back in on the VHF (Very High Frequency telephone). And they both reported that we had two maintenance crews, two security troops on-site, and two Strike Teams all reporting it.



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http://spiralgalaxy.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/SAC-Telex-Echo-Shutdown.jpg


You will notice, "OOAMA" in the last image. OOAMA is located at Hill AFB, UT, which is where I was assigned.

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John Jones said:
I wonder how many came with evidence that they actually were from ET civilizations. I'd guess approximately zero.
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I have to disagree. in 1958, Major Donald Keyhoe was going to reveal what the government knew about the objects on Live TV before CBS cut him off, in their words, in the "interest of national security."

Our deep space surveillance systems track them on a regular basis, but the Air Force has already acknowledged that the objects are, in the words of the USAF, ATIC, in 1948, "Interplanetary Spaceships."
In addition, "Project Magnet" Top Secret Memo has been recovered from the Archives at the University of Ottawa.

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1) The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States Government, rating higher than even the H-bomb.

2) Flying saucers exist.

3) Their modus operandi is unknown but concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Vannevar Bush.

4) The entire matter is considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance.

5) The United States authorities are investigating along quite a number of lines, which might possibly be related to the saucers such as mental phenomena


General Nathan Twining's Memo

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German Scientists Support UFOs as Interplanetary Craft

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a0afd0b6e865.jpg
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And, something that I have known for years.


http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e9fe6e6c2e26.jpg

"We Have Lost Many Men and Planes Trying To Intercept UFOs""
General Benjamin Chidlaw

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skyeagle409 said:
Speaking of cloaking:

[qimg]http://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/2014-09-11-howell-cloaking-164-crop-630x420.jpg[/qimg]
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Utterly brilliant.

All you need to do now is get the UFO to stay in between the two mirrors and four lenses and then get all observers to stand within 2 or 3 degrees of the centreline of the device lens/mirror array and HEY PRESTO! you have a . . . . uh, . . . . I dunno . . . . uh, nup, still can't think of anything.

What you will need, though, is another array of lenses and mirrors so that you can cloak the lens and mirror holders and they you have a cloaked, cloaking device!!! :jaw-dropp

OK, that'd need another array to hide it - and then it's just turtles all the way down.
 
Really, I don't think western government bureaucracies are good enough at cover ups to keep something like this hidden in the realm of 'crackpot ideas' for so long.
What are the reasons the extra terrestrials keep hanging around? They would have figured out early on that we aren't very respectful of our own planet or each other; I wouldn't hang out with Earthlings, given the choice.
 
Arisia said:
Really, I don't think western government bureaucracies are good enough at cover ups to keep something like this hidden in the realm of 'crackpot ideas' for so long.
What are the reasons the extra terrestrials keep hanging around? They would have figured out early on that we aren't very respectful of our own planet or each other; I wouldn't hang out with Earthlings, given the choice.
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Why would they even come here in the first place?
 
John Jones said:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097257/
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Ha! I like it!

Recently, I watched an alien first Contact movie called "Arrival". There was a lot to like about this movie, but one of the things that I really liked was that the aliens were nothing like us and totally incomprehensible, and for mine, that makes a most realistic portrayal of what aliens like might be like.

Unless there is some unknown guiding principle in nature that demands intelligent beings be bipedal, transversally symmetrical beings, there is no way that aliens are going to look anything like us and be the type of little grey humanoids portrayed by Hollywood. It is no accident that the appearance of LGH's has changed to follow movie portrayals... (perceived alien) life imitates art?
 
John Jones said:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097257/
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I wanted to post something about this movie because not many people know that actual saucer events over Washington D.C. was the basis for this movie. Air Force jets was scrambled and one of the Air Force pilot's sent to intercept the saucers was himself surrounded and he called for help to ground controllers as radar operators watched the encounter between the UFOs and his F-94 unfolded on their radar scopes.


Earth vs. The Flying Saucers

The 1952 D.C. incident was made prominent in a classic expose book called "Flying Saucers From Outer Space" by Marine Corps retired Major. Donald Keyhoe, and this later formed the basis for the screenplay of "Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers".

https://www.amazon.com/review/R24E39I4FXPJRQ

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049169/
 
skyeagle409 said:
I wanted to post something about this movie because not many people know that actual saucer events over Washington D.C. was the basis for this movie. Air Force jets was scrambled and one of the Air Force pilot's sent to intercept the saucers was himself surrounded and he called for help to ground controllers as radar operators watched the encounter between the UFOs and his F-94 unfolded on their radar scopes.


Earth vs. The Flying Saucers

The 1952 D.C. incident was made prominent in a classic expose book called "Flying Saucers From Outer Space" by Marine Corps retired Major. Donald Keyhoe, and this later formed the basis for the screenplay of "Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers".

https://www.amazon.com/review/R24E39I4FXPJRQ

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049169/
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Or the reports were part of a Hollywood publicity stunt to promote the movie - which seems more likely to me.
 
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