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The Trump Presidency

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Stacko said:
No. It claimed that the belief that rap is garbage and cannot convey any message other than societal degradation is racist. There's a large chasm between disliking the genre because you don't enjoy it and thinking it's a societal blight.
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Babbylonian said:
Given that Carlson equated being vulgar with just being seen with Jay-Z and Beyonce, it's not a long-distance leap.
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Just making sure.
 
3point14 said:
It doesn't need to be the majority. It just needs to be enough. I think there's probably enough.
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The opposition doesn't need a majority to stop it. If things are that finely balanced it comes down to motivation. Who'll be more motivated : those for Trump or those against?

After four years of experience and demographic shift Trump would get crushed by the motivation thing. I'm pretty sure it would crush him today.
 
dudalb said:
You know, I despise Trump, and have real "issues " with a lot of the right, but this routine of all Conseravative are either evil, or stupid, or both is really getting to me. That is just as dumb as the Trumpets blasting of all opposition to Trump as being evil.
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I get the same arguments in the UK about being a Tory supporter. The thing is I view the Tories as the 'least worst' solution, I certainly don't agree with all of their policies. Trump and the Trumpettes are in a different position though. Trump is becoming an increasing marginalised, ridiculous and pointless figure on the world stage.

He is hyping up fossil fuels when everyone else is trying to distance themselves from them. The best that can be said is that natural gas can be increased as a transitional fuel. Coal is gone, and will continue to go, no matter what Trump does or says. He is repeating the mistake of the UK Miners Unions in the UK in the 80s. It doesn't matter what a political group wants to do in a market, if it isn't there, then that market will fail.

His continual Twitter stupidity just highlights how petty and vindictive he is. His staffers really need to take the phone off of him, he's not grown up enough to use it. He is the archetypal 'Richie Rich' spoilt brat. How many working class Americans did he screw over with his multiple bankruptcies, these are the people that he was 'supposed' to represent.

He's too chicken to come to the UK, because he will be criticised by what should be his closest ally, so he will go to Europe, weather their criticism so that he can turn around and say 'so what, they're Socialists...'

Good luck on the Paris Agreement 're-negotiations', he will have even less luck with that than the UK over Brexit!
 
CapelDodger said:
A President hob-nobbing with celebrities? How vulgar do you want?
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I know, right? Hanging out with celebrity royalty, people who are beloved (or at least certainly Beyonce's music is beloved) by most people under 40? Disgusting. I'm ashamed that instead of castigating Obama for his vulgarity, I listened to a Beyonce album (and it was awesome).
 
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dudalb said:
You know, I despise Trump, and have real "issues " with a lot of the right, but this routine of all Conseravative are either evil, or stupid, or both is really getting to me. That is just as dumb as the Trumpets blasting of all opposition to Trump as being evil.
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Why is "issues" in quotes? The right picked trump over many other qualified candidates, and then voted for him, en masse. Trump's 40% approval rating is almost exclusively due to conservative support.

When I engage conservatives on Breitbart, they bring up Vince Foster and Pizzagate as mitigating circumstances in their support of Trump, but you don't have that luxury because you're not an idiot, so aren't you disgusted with the conservative movement?
 
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CapelDodger said:
Is this a Trumpist attempt to own "vulgar" as they have "Fake News", and the queers did "queer"? A bold ploy.
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Some of the alt-right boys revel in being called deplorable. They've also taken to using covfefe now.
 
Stacko said:
No. It claimed that the belief that rap is garbage and cannot convey any message other than societal degradation is racist. There's a large chasm between disliking the genre because you don't enjoy it and thinking it's a societal blight.
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I don't think that is necessarily so, as one could hold that belief for rap as well as country music. And some of the most successful rappers have been white, so you are the racist for associating rap with black people.

You just activated my trap race card!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So ... the Trump disaster. And don't kid yourself, this is a disaster. And no, he would not be re-elected should he not be impeached and run again. People were asleep at the wheel thinking Clinton would win. Trump was not some magical revolution of the majority. That won't happen twice until history as time to forget.
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I disagree. It's comparatively rare for a sitting president not to get re-elected. Right now 40% of the U.S. think he's doing a fine job, add in a few more who would vote GOP regardless and add in some targeted voter suppression and electoral roll purges and you have a clear path to victory ESPECIALLY if the Democratic Party assume that all their candidate has to be is "not Trump" to guarantee success.

Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes, tens of millions buy the narrative they've been fed. But they are not the majority of the country.
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They're enough to keep the GOP in control of the House and Senate and enough to get him re-elected next time unless the Democratic Party offer a tempting alternative.
 
dudalb said:
You know, I despise Trump, and have real "issues " with a lot of the right, but this routine of all Conseravative are either evil, or stupid, or both is really getting to me. That is just as dumb as the Trumpets blasting of all opposition to Trump as being evil.
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Can you show me one saying something sensible? Or at least not bigoted or rooted in fantasy cause and effect?
 
The Don said:
They're enough to keep the GOP in control of the House and Senate and enough to get him re-elected next time unless the Democratic Party offer a tempting alternative.
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Sounds about right.

What are the odds on a Trump second term? Could be a good value bet.
 
Jim_MDP said:
Hah... someone should pass him a print out of some of Uncle Ted's 70's lyrics. :D
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Trump did a photo op in the Oval Office with Ted, Sarah Palin, and Kid Rock. I'm surprised that the White House didn't collapse into some sort of white trash singularity. Looking at the pictures, you can almost smell the combination of stale beer, cat litter, and ass.
 
Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, said on Friday that the media discussion about Trump has become “a one-way conversation of toxicity.”

“It’s incredible to watch people play armchair psychologist, outright ridiculing the president’s physicality, his mental state, calling him names that you won’t want your children to call people on a playground,” Conway said on “Fox & Friends.” “You would punish them for doing that, and then all of a sudden feigning shock when he wants to fight back and defend himself and hopefully change the conversation.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e9ec72-5da5-11e7-a9f6-7c3296387341_story.html

It's funny how they defend Trump's lack of maturity and how utterly weak he is.

As far as i know, despite the right-wing constantly spreading conspiracy theories about his citizenship (and other things), Obama never ever lashed out in public or even in private in the way Trump has responded. Imagine if he had publicly attacked Trump with the kind of invectives Trump have used. It would seem so incredibly out of character.

The big problem here is that Trump apparently never thinks that it's simply beneath him to respond personal attacks of this kind. It's like if an adult would respond to a child taunting them by doing the same. It's just unseemly. Moreover, if they somehow think this is going to "change the conversation" they are so incredibly stupid that it's mind boggling.
 
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