Brexit was a right-wing populist project that won.
What's so ridiculous about it? It has both requirements I noted.
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Brexit was a right-wing populist project that won.
What's so ridiculous about it? It has both requirements I noted.
McHrozni
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Well, no. they got what they wanted. Their plan is now mandated by both of the major parties.
UKIP has done it's job, Aaron is happy, Vladimir is probably happy, the damage has been done.
Bettridge's Law of Headlines likely applies:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-404...ytica-and-psychographics-in-the-eu-referendum
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I think you're probably right, however, given that economics is now a truly global thing and that corporations and those that own and run them may stand to lose large amounts of money if an election goes against them, I'm not ruling out something like that happening. Or already having happened at some point.
Which doesn't address the issue.
The rest of us acknowledge that we are glad to see the demise of Ukip. You demurred. So, the only intellectually sustainable conclusion is that you'd rather see Ukip in a stronger position.
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You've denied me the middle, which is where I sit. I don't care either way that they're gone.
The fact that the existed was bad. All of the bad things they brought or campaigned for still exist and this is what annoyed me. The fact that the party itself doesn't exist makes no damn difference to the political landscape in which we now sit.
It's like someone's taken away the gun that was used to shoot me. I don't care, I'm still sporting bullet wounds.
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Fair enough. I'm pleased to be rid of them, but see what you're saying.
Really?
Because "taking control of our borders", "stopping the flow of immigrants" and "a global Britain, open to deals with anyone" are such typical non-right-wing talking points, or because of something else?
If something else, what else?
McHrozni
Surely no-one can be so stupid as to think that all of those campaigning for Brexit were right wingers? Please, please tell me how Tony Benn is a right winger. This I've got to hear.
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Are you seriously arguing by cherry picking slogans? It's time you started looking into the concept of critical thinking.
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Ah no, not all of them.
Just the important ones. You can probably find someone who supports Marine Le Pen because he wants to protect the French workers from unfair competition as well. That doesn't make her a left winger either.
McHrozni
You get to decide this? You're cherry picking again. Do you live in Britain?
No, the British parliament gave some important campaigners powers of office. The choices it made made Brexit into a right-wing populist project in turn.
Is that so hard to grasp?
McHrozni
I suspect you don't live in this country, so you can be forgiven for not knowing the general background to Brexit. You might think of it as supine and ignorant bloc of voters whipped up by a campaign of right wing extremists, but that is to completely and utterly misunderstand and misrepresent the situation. Euroscepticism was a deep running and long standing trait of the populace for decades, back to the Maastricht Treaty and before. The referendum results were not far from the long term polling on the subject. Arguably, the campaign didn't make much or any difference to the result. Cameron's ridiculous "reforms" to the UK's membership of the EU, negotiated before the campaign was launched, may have been the only thing which pushed a few people to voting Leave who might not have done otherwise.
So, it suits your agenda to call it a right wing campaign. Fine. This does nothing more than show your limited understanding. It certainly doesn't illuminate the subject in any way at all.
So, it suits your agenda to call it a right wing campaign. Fine. This does nothing more than show your limited understanding. It certainly doesn't illuminate the subject in any way at all.
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Idiotic and incomprehensible nonsense.
The British parliament was not involved at any stage in either campaign. It didn't give anyone powers of office. You literally do not know what you are talking about at all.
Euroskepticism is, at it's very core, a populist project that can only ask questions and never provide answers. All Euroskeptic projects that I know of, including Brexit, were populist in their very nature. If this was in doubt a year ago it is clear now, Brexiteers have no answers to any of the hard questions posed by Brexit. It wasn't a sensible question of national policy but a populist stunt which backfired.
The only question left is whether it had a right-wing slant or not. Given that "taking control of borders" is given top priority with "national sovereignty" coming as a close second, the only proper way to describe it is a right-wing populist project.
The reason why each individual voter voted for Brexit doesn't even come into play.
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Here is the conversation again.
You have just claimed that the British Parliament gets to decide who the important campaigners were, and what their position is on the political spectrum. Is this a language problem you are having, or a logic problem?
You have just claimed that the British Parliament gets to decide who the important campaigners were, and what their position is on the political spectrum. Is this a language problem you are having, or a logic problem?
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