Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Johanabrahams]

To be honest, Robertson is a one dead horse town. And the poor beast keeps getting flogged.,

Nope there I am living my live. They are experiencing me. They are much stronger than everybody else. Other towns and cities do not even dare to look at it and in their frantic running away does a lot of wrong things.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

That stands to reason being as you're human.

Yep that is why I understand them so well. But I am god also and that is why I can correct and point the way.

That is also why God's forum can be "ruled" in His way.

And His way is in Wisdom.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

You don't appear to be reaping any benefits at all. Based on my last trip to South Africa, having a god on the ground does not appear to be any great benefit to that country.

That was defenitely not what I wrote about. I asked about your motivation in writing here. Do not run from it. I will not judge you. Your sins are paid.

And if I judge you . . .you will have proof that I am a liar. So go for it.

Love Johan

 

[Border Reiver]

Nope God sacrificed Himself so that we can have perfect relationships with Him and with one another.

Why did he need to do that?

Sacrifice implies that a lesser individual is giving something of value to a more powerful individual in exchange for something.

In most Christian traditions, Jesus is a component of God(God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit). If we take what Jesus is supposed to have done as accurate - who is he being sacrificed to? If we accept that Jesus and God are two parts of the same deity, then Jesus is "sacrificing" himself to himself so that he can forgive people (if they ask nicely).

The other implication is that there is a higher power - higher than this God fellow referenced in the Old or New Testaments - that required the sacrifice of a deity to give God the Father the power to forgive people's sins.

Nope it was necessary because without that there is none. That is also why everybody is fighting everybody else.

Love Johan

The sacrifice of God the Son to God the Father was necessary because without it there was no what? Forgiveness? Sacrifices were made in the Temple for the forgiveness of individual sins for individuals prior to and after this alleged incident. The idea being put forward is that Jesus' sacrifice was to be the last, after which there is no further need for sacrifices. If you are putting out the idea that prior to Jesus' sacrifice there was no forgiveness of sins, then you should start explaining why every person who lived prior to the Crucifiction was condemned to Hell - including all the honoured patriarchs like Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Jacob, Moses, Samuel, etc.

Why is it necessary for God to sacrifice himself to God for people to be decent to one another?

 

[Beady]

They are experiencing me.

Eeeewwwww! Quick! The antiseptic!

This signature is intended to irritate people.

 

[Zivan]

Nope God sacrificed Himself so that we can have perfect relationships with Him and with one another.

Nope it was necessary because without that there is none. That is also why everybody is fighting everybody else.

You are not making sense. As usual.

First you say the "god sacrifice" was so everyone can have perfect relationships. Then you say that everyone is fighting everyone even after the alleged "god sacrifice".

Incoherent.

And why does god, or you since you think you are god, need blood and gore to "forgive" anyone? That is beyond barbaric.

Love Johan

Barf.

 

[Craig4]

That was defenitely not what I wrote about. I asked about your motivation in writing here. Do not run from it. I will not judge you. Your sins are paid.

And if I judge you . . .you will have proof that I am a liar. So go for it.

Love Johan

You're free to judge me as you like. Your judgment holds no consequence for me and your assent of my sins holds no interest. I don't recognize the concept of sin and you're in no position to forgive me or hold me to account.

As to my motivations, you came to a skeptic's forum and claimed to be a god. Your claim is baseless so what did you think would happen?

As for your love, your love of me or your hate are the same thing to me. I'm impacted by neither.

 

[Vixen]

Why did he need to do that?

Sacrifice implies that a lesser individual is giving something of value to a more powerful individual in exchange for something.

In most Christian traditions, Jesus is a component of God(God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit). If we take what Jesus is supposed to have done as accurate - who is he being sacrificed to? If we accept that Jesus and God are two parts of the same deity, then Jesus is "sacrificing" himself to himself so that he can forgive people (if they ask nicely).

The other implication is that there is a higher power - higher than this God fellow referenced in the Old or New Testaments - that required the sacrifice of a deity to give God the Father the power to forgive people's sins.



The sacrifice of God the Son to God the Father was necessary because without it there was no what? Forgiveness? Sacrifices were made in the Temple for the forgiveness of individual sins for individuals prior to and after this alleged incident. The idea being put forward is that Jesus' sacrifice was to be the last, after which there is no further need for sacrifices. If you are putting out the idea that prior to Jesus' sacrifice there was no forgiveness of sins, then you should start explaining why every person who lived prior to the Crucifiction was condemned to Hell - including all the honoured patriarchs like Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Jacob, Moses, Samuel, etc.

Why is it necessary for God to sacrifice himself to God for people to be decent to one another?

According to theology the ransom was to the Wicked One (as Luther calls him). It purchased back mortal man to immortality.

It's not so that 'all who lived prior to the Crucifixion are condemned to hell'.

The theory is, all the dead stay dead, including all the ones pre-Christ. Come the second coming, all the dead (who ever lived) will rise up and be judged, after which, the living will ascend and also be judged.

All the saints and martyrs will be brought out from their slain positions under the altar where they have rested since their premature slaughter just for being Christians doing good.

Apparently, the names are already in the 'Book of Life' so I daresay Moses & co will get a look in.

All this is due to take place after the thousand year reign of the Lamb (as Christ is now known) - as prophesised in Daniel, for example - which has already begun.

Once the thousand years are up, events as described in Revelation begin to unfold.

That's the theory.

 

[Thor 2]

According to theology the ransom was to the Wicked One (as Luther calls him). It purchased back mortal man to immortality.

It's not so that 'all who lived prior to the Crucifixion are condemned to hell'.

The theory is, all the dead stay dead, including all the ones pre-Christ. Come the second coming, all the dead (who ever lived) will rise up and be judged, after which, the living will ascend and also be judged.

All the saints and martyrs will be brought out from their slain positions under the altar where they have rested since their premature slaughter just for being Christians doing good.

Apparently, the names are already in the 'Book of Life' so I daresay Moses & co will get a look in.

All this is due to take place after the thousand year reign of the Lamb (as Christ is now known) - as prophesised in Daniel, for example - which has already begun.

Once the thousand years are up, events as described in Revelation begin to unfold.

That's the theory.

Hey, good to see you on this thread Vixen, I imagine you and Johan could have lots to talk about - Johan's god status for example.

That's some theory you have put pen to there Vixen. Perhaps we should call it a hypothesis however as theories, in the scientific sense, should have some supporting evidence.

How far away are we from the end of the 1000 year reign do you think?

 

[abaddon]

According to theology the ransom was to the Wicked One (as Luther calls him). It purchased back mortal man to immortality.

It's not so that 'all who lived prior to the Crucifixion are condemned to hell'.

The theory is, all the dead stay dead, including all the ones pre-Christ. Come the second coming, all the dead (who ever lived) will rise up and be judged, after which, the living will ascend and also be judged.

All the saints and martyrs will be brought out from their slain positions under the altar where they have rested since their premature slaughter just for being Christians doing good.

Apparently, the names are already in the 'Book of Life' so I daresay Moses & co will get a look in.

All this is due to take place after the thousand year reign of the Lamb (as Christ is now known) - as prophesised in Daniel, for example - which has already begun.

Once the thousand years are up, events as described in Revelation begin to unfold.

That's the theory.

What a larf. Your god was so incompetent that he could come up with nothing better than to sacrifice himself to himself to make up for the rules he made. This makes sense to you? And further, that "buys" immortality? From whom? Why did your god have to make some weird deal? Who did he make that deal with?

As for the slain prophets, what is your position on the zombie apocalypse unleashed in Jerusalem two thousand years ago?

Revelation? Well there is an acid trip.

Thousand year reign? Nope. Daniel prophesied no such thing, and according to the babble, that happened and finished a thousand years ago.

 

[Czarcasm]

I've been gone for a few years, so could someone please tell me, out of the thousands of gods/goddesses/godits that people believe in, which particular deity are we discussing in this thread?

 

[bruto]

I've been gone for a few years, so could someone please tell me, out of the thousands of gods/goddesses/godits that people believe in, which particular deity are we discussing in this thread?

I think it's more or less the Biblical one, as interpreted by certain Catholic theologians such as Origen and later. Having, we presume, realized how preposterous it would be for God to have sacrificed himself to himself, they mute the craziness slightly by declaring the sacrifice a way he buys us back from the devil. Of course if we are not suitably impressed by the spectacle of blood and thunder he'll take it all back and send us to hell anyway, but we should have realized after Job and the like what a drama queen old Jehovah is.

 

[Border Reiver]

According to theology the ransom was to the Wicked One (as Luther calls him). It purchased back mortal man to immortality.

Given that Yahweh or God is an allegedly omnipotent being - why does he need to buy man back from the Wicked One? A slight flexing of his power and authority and "poof" we're back.

Unless of course you are claiming that this Wicked One is either equal or greater in power than this God/Yahweh character.

 

[jimbob]

When I started, I was amused by the tags people earned, which is why I requested a special one for me.

I wouldn't be offended if the OP requested it as well.

 

[jimbob]

I've been gone for a few years, so could someone please tell me, out of the thousands of gods/goddesses/godits that people believe in, which particular deity are we discussing in this thread?

I think it's more or less the Biblical one, as interpreted by certain Catholic theologians such as Origen and later. Having, we presume, realized how preposterous it would be for God to have sacrificed himself to himself, they mute the craziness slightly by declaring the sacrifice a way he buys us back from the devil. Of course if we are not suitably impressed by the spectacle of blood and thunder he'll take it all back and send us to hell anyway, but we should have realized after Job and the like what a drama queen old Jehovah is.

I'm not entirely sure you are right. In fact I suspect there are several including some posters in this thread. I might be confused though - it isn't the easiest thread to follow

 

[Donn]

Egad. Is it still the battle of the bot?

 

[Thor 2]

I've been gone for a few years, so could someone please tell me, out of the thousands of gods/goddesses/godits that people believe in, which particular deity are we discussing in this thread?

Hard to put your finger on, but I think it is Jesus, his Father, the Holy Ghost, plus a sprinkling of Johan.

 

[bruto]

I'm not entirely sure you are right. In fact I suspect there are several including some posters in this thread. I might be confused though - it isn't the easiest thread to follow

I suppose that's true, and we run up against the very difficult job of distinguishing real imaginary gods from imaginary imaginary gods. Oh wait, I hope that the double negative rules of mathematics and grammar don't come into play here. Could a fake fake god be a real one? Egad! Or as some are wont to say, ye gods and little fishes!

 

[bruto]

I have been seeking wisdom and guidance and looking for god without notable success, but on my journeys today I did at least find out where the gods poop.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Why did he need to do that?

Because of sin.

Sacrifice implies that a lesser individual is giving something of value to a more powerful individual in exchange for something.

In this case a more powerful individual should do what a lesser powerful can not do.

In most Christian traditions, Jesus is a component of God(God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit).

In the Truth He is God Himself.

The sacrifice of God the Son to God the Father was necessary because without it there was no what? Forgiveness?

Yep. That is now . . .godly forgiveness. Which obviously includes much more than human forgiveness.

Why is it necessary for God to sacrifice himself to God for people to be decent to one another?

Because He also needed it. And people needed it. Without it there is no peace.

Now true peace can materialize. And I am now here to do that.

Create true peace . . .that is now for starters.

Love Johan