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Milk, it really does do a body good

theprestige said:
But we all hunt our prey according to the same principle. Going after the weakest prey in the herd. Striking from ambush. Using poison.
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You have a pretty funny idea of how farming works.

First off, the animals wouldn't even exist if we didn't raise and take care of them. The weakest ones are probably diseased and not good food. No need to 'strike from ambush' when they are already captive. And poisoning, really?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
You have a pretty funny idea of how farming works.
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He said hunting, not farming. And his point is that minimizing risk is natural. The specifics of how to accomplish that with farming are different than they are for hunting, but the principle is the same.
 
Ziggurat said:
He said hunting, not farming.
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"The cowards-who-kill-cowardly-other-sentient-beings-only-for-food-or-fun-in-a-coward-way-as-they-are-cowards one?"

Recreational hunters don't generally go for the weakest animals, unless they are cowards. And poisoning, who does that?

casebro said:
They seem to even be against herbivorous pets. By their definition, Pet = Abused animal... Zoos, Sea World, all abuse.
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And they are right.

Kill all pets to stop the abuse.
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It's sad, but this is often the only practical solution - if you want to stop the abuse.

But nobody wants to because - let's face it - we keep pets for our amusement, not theirs. Who cares if they 'suffer' so long as we feel good?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
"The cowards-who-kill-cowardly-other-sentient-beings-only-for-food-or-fun-in-a-coward-way-as-they-are-cowards one?"

Recreational hunters don't generally go for the weakest animals, unless they are cowards. And poisoning, who does that?
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Why are you limiting the discussion to recreational hunters? theprestige certainly wasn't. But regardless, that doesn't help Antonio's argument.

As for poisoning, it's common in the animal kingdom, and among primitive hunters who don't have the advantage of gunpowder.

All of these items were in service of a point you haven't addressed: "It's all the same principle: Least risk for greatest reward. This is not cowardly, this is natural."
 
Perhaps off topic, but title reminds me of the manga: "sweet guy manhwa".

About a guy who gets powers to sleep with chicks.

Sweet guy title sample: "He does a body good.."
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Not when humans are involved.
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Could you explain in more depth what you mean by that? My first interpretation is that you are saying that hunting behaviour isn't natural in humans, but that's demonstrably false.

You might be saying that human hunters don't naturally take a "least risk, greatest reward" strategy": perhaps out of an attempt to attain greater status within their social group they might take risks to try to bring down larger game when smaller game would be easier or safer to hunt for the same amount of meat? That's a more reasonable claim.

But I'm not sure if you are saying either of the above or something else so maybe you could clarify.

Thanks.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Definition of Natural
1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
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2. of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

Why should only definition 1 apply? Again, that makes no sense. In context, definition 2 is clearly more applicable.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
You have a pretty funny idea of how farming works.

First off, the animals wouldn't even exist if we didn't raise and take care of them. The weakest ones are probably diseased and not good food. No need to 'strike from ambush' when they are already captive. And poisoning, really?
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Quote my post in its entirety, and maybe we'll talk.
 
Ziggurat said:
2. of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
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How many of us strike from ambush the weakest animals in the herd or poison them - for food? You could argue that hunting is 'natural' human behavior, but it's certainly not normal behavior for most of us. The way we generally do produce our food - farming, selective breeding, artificial insemination, genetic engineering etc. - is the very definition of unnatural.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
How many of us strike from ambush the weakest animals in the herd or poison them - for food? You could argue that hunting is 'natural' human behavior, but it's certainly not normal behavior for most of us. The way we generally do produce our food - farming, selective breeding, artificial insemination, genetic engineering etc. - is the very definition of unnatural.
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And your point is?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
How many of us strike from ambush the weakest animals in the herd or poison them - for food?
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If "us" is animals (and humans belong to that group), then lots of us.

You could argue that hunting is 'natural' human behavior, but it's certainly not normal behavior for most of us.
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You mean it's not typical. But so what? That's not relevant to the argument.

The way we generally do produce our food - farming, selective breeding, artificial insemination, genetic engineering etc. - is the very definition of unnatural.
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Again, not relevant to the actual argument, which was about hunting.
 
Fudbucker said:
I would have a definite problem with people eating higher primates, dolphins, etc. Just because we're an "apex predator" doesn't give us carte blanche to eat every animal on Earth.
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Why not? They are a resource to be exploited, just like any other.

I've seen 'higher primates' at the zoo, and they were vicious creatures that would rip your throat out if they could. Dolphins would eat humans if we were small enough to fit in their mouths.
 
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