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Milk, it really does do a body good

Red Baron Farms said:
Well you did such a good job guessing something out of the blue, I figured you were the creative sort.

This is the science forum, not the ethics forum. So to make it brief and avoid derail....most societies do not consider the death of domestic animals raised for food to be unethical. Although quite a few societies do consider the treatment of domestic animals while still alive to be an ethical concern.

There is a very scientific reason for this. Humans are omnivorous. That is our biological niche. We are apex omnivorous predators. Therefore there is no ethical problem with eating animals for food. But we are also highly social empathic creatures, and torturing any animal is to be abhorred!
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I would have a definite problem with people eating higher primates, dolphins, etc. Just because we're an "apex predator" doesn't give us carte blanche to eat every animal on Earth.
 
Pets that are carnivorous would still need us to provide food to them, so not all animals raised for meat would be forced into extinction by humanity going vegan, unless PETA wants either a) all pets forced, against nature for some, to a vegan diet or b) all carnivorous pets destroyed or left to fend for themselves. Looks like a bit of a conundrum for the organization to me, considering there are over 50 million pet cats in the US alone.
 
Arisia said:
Pets that are carnivorous would still need us to provide food to them, so not all animals raised for meat would be forced into extinction by humanity going vegan, unless PETA wants either a) all pets forced, against nature for some, to a vegan diet or b) all carnivorous pets destroyed or left to fend for themselves. Looks like a bit of a conundrum for the organization to me, considering there are over 50 million pet cats in the US alone.
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I am even surprised that you erply to the people above.
Most of them are obviously trolling
 
Fudbucker said:
I would have a definite problem with people eating higher primates, dolphins, etc. Just because we're an "apex predator" doesn't give us carte blanche to eat every animal on Earth.
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And why not eat humans?
Maybe they are tasty I do not know never tried and surely they will not go extinct if you eat a few of them.
By this logic..
 
Antonio Coceri said:
I am even surprised that you erply to the people above.
Most of them are obviously trolling
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I was actually replying to any PETA supporters hanging about, trolling is a possibility on that side as well, of course. I come from a family that includes dairy farmers and quite a few hunters... take a guess which side I'm on.
 
Arisia said:
Pets that are carnivorous would still need us to provide food to them, so not all animals raised for meat would be forced into extinction by humanity going vegan, unless PETA wants either a) all pets forced, against nature for some, to a vegan diet or b) all carnivorous pets destroyed or left to fend for themselves. Looks like a bit of a conundrum for the organization to me, considering there are over 50 million pet cats in the US alone.
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Yes, that is their agenda. They seem to even be against herbivorous pets. By their definition, Pet = Abused animal. Kill all pets to stop the abuse. Zoos, Sea World, all abuse.
 
Arisia said:
I was actually replying to any PETA supporters hanging about, trolling is a possibility on that side as well, of course. I come from a family that includes dairy farmers and quite a few hunters... take a guess which side I'm on.
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The cowards-who-kill-cowardly-other-sentient-beings-only-for-food-or-fun-in-a-coward-way-as-they-are-cowards one?

:D
 
Arisia said:
Antonio is really convincing me to change my ways, what about the rest of you?
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(stuff i was not supposed to post)

ETA: (marginally stuff I am not supposed to post)

ETAx2: Antonio Coceri's arguments are not convincing because they have been posted on this forum before, so deja vu.

*fairly dripping with sugar coating now*
 
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My daughter is currently a vegan, but of the sort that I can tolerate. She avoids animal products because she disagrees with factory farming and says she would gladly enjoy them if she knew they were raised ethically. She also vociferously disagrees with vegans who try to force their pets to eat vegan diets, especially for obligate carnivores like cats.

We had a good laugh last week about an article in the NYTimes regarding vegan dog food. All the people swearing how their dogs were healed of their digestive and skin problems apparently never noticed that the vegan food was also free of wheat,corn and soy, major allergens for dogs. None of them had ever tried a low-allergen dog kibble, apparently.
 
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