General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Degeneve said:
Yesterday a French court came to the conclusion that writing in a press article that Robert Faurisson is a “professional liar”, a “falsifier” and a “forger of history” is compliant with the truth.

Faurisson was suing the French newspaper “Le Monde” and journalist Ariane Chemin for defamation because these words had been used to describe him in an article published in August 2012. He lost the case yesterday but has still the possibility to file an appeal against the court decision (sorry, not English source available): http://www.lemonde.fr/police-justic...la-loupe-par-la-justice_5139702_1653578.html?
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Ah so like Irving Faurisson is using the courts to attack someone else's freedom of speech. And like the Irving case the allegedly libelous remarks were deemed accurate.

I am amused by Hitler huggers who scream about "Free Speech"; and scream outrage at the top of their lungs about the horrors of using the courts to attack their speech and yet have few to no problems about using the courts to attack other people's speech.
 
Hans said:
Yawn, got anything but the same un-evidenced claims?
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When I read the article on the 26000 bombs in 2016 I was slightly amazed, and thought that that fact was so stark that it could not be ignored. And I made it the focus of the OP and hence of this thread.

But I underestimated the ability of US/Israeli apologists to ignore facts behind the charade.

Or is it that the skeptics here are so skeptical that they don't believe anything that isn't published on the FP of the NYT ?
 
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Saggy said:
When I read the article on the 26000 bombs in 2016 I was slightly amazed, and thought that that fact was so stark that it could not be ignored. And I made it the focus of the OP and hence of this thread.

But I underestimated the ability of US/Israeli apologists to ignore facts behind the charade.

Or is it that the skeptics here are so skeptical that they don't believe anything that isn't published on the FP of the NYT ?
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Naw, it's just you. Your opinion is of no significance.
 
Saggy said:
When I read the article on the 26000 bombs in 2016 I was slightly amazed, and thought that that fact was so stark that it could not be ignored. And I made it the focus of the OP and hence of this thread.

But I underestimated the ability of US/Israeli apologists to ignore facts behind the charade.

Or is it that the skeptics here are so skeptical that they don't believe anything that isn't published on the FP of the NYT ?
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Oh and how many bombs would you suggest then? Remember when you came up with that number you also claimed no one knew about it then were shown how it is publicly displayed for all to see. Guess no one is really hiding it are they?

Lets say the US when home tomorrow - what would happen?
 
Saggy said:
Or is it that the skeptics here are so skeptical that they don't believe anything that isn't published on the FP of the NYT ?
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Even though both Foreign Policy and the NYTimes published stories about our strikes in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen?

Maybe you should get a subscription, but wait for the promotion that includes discount tickets for El Al round trip from JFK to Tel Alviv. Go in Ocotober!:thumbsup:
 
Axxman300 said:
Even though both Foreign Policy and the NYTimes published stories about our strikes in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen?

Maybe you should get a subscription, but wait for the promotion that includes discount tickets for El Al round trip from JFK to Tel Alviv. Go in Ocotober!:thumbsup:
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^Best post of the day^
 
Axxman300 said:
Even though both Foreign Policy and the NYTimes published stories about our strikes in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen?

Maybe you should get a subscription, but wait for the promotion that includes discount tickets for El Al round trip from JFK to Tel Alviv. Go in Ocotober!:thumbsup:
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Great post

I'll add to it that the evil news suppressing NYT - which Saggy seems to think is hiding our involvement in the ME has won a number of Pultizer Prizes for the following articles

2017

C.J. Chivers for feature writing for his New York Times Magazine piece, The Fighter, which told the story of Sam Siatta, a veteran infantry combat Marine who was struggling with adjusting to life after war (that one Saggy says the NYT is hiding)

2016

Alissa Rubin for international reporting for her coverage of the lives of women and girls in Afghanistan including the horrific murder of young Afghan woman who was beaten to death by a mob after being falsely accused of burning a Quran. John Woo and Adam Ellick produced a powerful accompanying video about the murder.


2009

David Barstow, for investigative reporting for his series, Message Machine, which revealed how some retired generals, working as radio and television analysts, had been co-opted by the Pentagon to make its case for the war in Iraq, and how many of them also had undisclosed ties to companies that benefited from policies they defended.

2002

The New York Times, for public service, for “A Nation Challenged,” a daily special section covering the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, the war in Afghanistan and America’s campaign against terrorism. The section, which included biographical sketches of the victims, also appeared online.

1997

John F. Burns, for distinguished international reporting on the Taliban movement in Afghanistan.

Etc

Strange that the NYT is winning Pultizer prizes on the subject that our esteemed Saggy seems to think they are hiding

LOL

http://www.nytco.com/pulitzer-prizes/

Saggy you don't really seem to know much about this subject? Maybe you should read something other than far right hate group websites? Just a suggestion.
 
C.J. Chivers survived a JDAM attack by a USAF F-16 too while he was in Libya, and contends the Americans knew journalists were there at the time.

For the record, I'd be happy if we knock off some of our operations, as long as we find smarter ways to shut down terrorist cells hostile to the US and our allies. It's going to be a while though.
 
carlitos said:
I took a peek at the reference for that quote and it looks like Justice Stone had a problem with wars ending in a trial for the losing side's leaders. Google books doesn't have the full page. I'm prepared to be shocked if, in context, it reads as if it supports the argument made by codoh.
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It is quite obvious the Nuremberg tribunal was a show trial for political purposes. British historian A J P Taylor said as much. Take one incident such as this. In 1939 2 nations invaded Poland. Germany on September 1 1939 and the Soviet Union on September 17 1939 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
So with the charge of "Waging Aggressive War" the prosecution was condemning the German invasion but did not condemn the Soviet invasion. How can this be a fair trial ?
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f&t=11053
 
Mondial said:
It is quite obvious the Nuremberg tribunal was a show trial for political purposes. British historian A J P Taylor said as much. Take one incident such as this. In 1939 2 nations invaded Poland. Germany on September 1 1939 and the Soviet Union on September 17 1939 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
So with the charge of "Waging Aggressive War" the prosecution was condemning the German invasion but did not condemn the Soviet invasion. How can this be a fair trial ?
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f&t=11053
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You accept "they did it too" as a valid defence?
 
abaddon said:
You accept "they did it too" as a valid defence?
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It does seem a little odd to have a trial where the judge and jury all have committed the crime the accused is charged with. Sounds more like a Monty Python sketch than a legitimate judicial proceeding.

Judge Iona T. Nikitchenko, who presided at the Tribunal's solemn opening session, was a vice-chairman of the supreme court of the USSR before and after his service at Nuremberg. In August 1936 he had been a judge at the infamous Moscow show trial of Zinoviev and Kamenev.

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See also http://www.holohoax101.org/103/
 
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Saggy said:
It does seem a little odd to have a trial where the judge and jury all have committed the crime the accused is charged with. Sounds more like a Monty Python sketch than a legitimate judicial proceeding.

Judge Iona T. Nikitchenko, who presided at the Tribunal's solemn opening session, was a vice-chairman of the supreme court of the USSR before and after his service at Nuremberg. In August 1936 he had been a judge at the infamous Moscow show trial of Zinoviev and Kamenev.

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/xwE74pl.jpg[/qimg]

See also http://www.holohoax101.org/103/
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And hitler wore socks.
 
Parsman said:
May I ask Saggy, the creator of the OP, one simple question? Do you accept that during the years 1933-1945 (gaining speed between 1942 and 1945) Nazi Germany and some of her allies through neglect, mistreatment and deliberate murder killed millions of people, a majority of them from the Jewish culture but also gays, Romany, socialists, indeed any group that opposed the regime politically as well as the the disabled and the mentally ill? I ask because your OP is of a common type we have seen here before of people who are either holocaust deniers or anti-Semitic. Please note that I am not asking you to put an accurate figure on the deaths caused, but do you accept the history which shows that this happened. Before finding that out, I am unwilling to consider your claim that Zionism has caused the woes of the post WW2 Middle East seriously.
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Those two things are not mutually exclusive or necessarily related.
 
Mondial said:
It is quite obvious the Nuremberg tribunal was a show trial for political purposes. British historian A J P Taylor said as much. Take one incident such as this. In 1939 2 nations invaded Poland. Germany on September 1 1939 and the Soviet Union on September 17 1939 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
So with the charge of "Waging Aggressive War" the prosecution was condemning the German invasion but did not condemn the Soviet invasion. How can this be a fair trial ?
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f&t=11053
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So, this one instance proves this was a show trial? Just this one?

How about the fact the Soviets couldn't pin Katyn on the Germans?
How about the Soviets wanting to hang everyone but the others refused? How do you explain the fact that there were acquittals?

Don't get me wrong, Nuremberg was flawed. But a show trial? No, I don't think so.
 
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Jeffk 1970 said:
So, this one instance proves this was a show trial? Just this one?

How about the fact the Soviets couldn't pin Katyn on the Germans?
How about the Soviets wanting to hang everyone but the others refused? How do you explain the fact that there were acquittals?

Don't get me wrong, Nuremberg was flawed. But a show trial? No, I don't think so.
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I wonder if the Axis had won what there reaction to the Soviet, British and other Allied leaders would have been?
 
Documents discovered showed that Germany had drawn up an execution list for Britons in the event of a successful "Operation Seelowe". The Black Book had such dangerous people as Noel Coward, Robert Baden-Powell, Bertrand Russell and David Low. These would have gone ahead without even a "show trial". There is no moral equivalency between Nazi Germany and her enemies in the West.
 
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Israel has been under siege for decades. Sure, the Palestine situation is horrible, and will take a lot of working out, but the notion that Zion appointed Trump as POTUS in order to do....something jewish, is beyond bonkers. As some would have it, our every waking moment is directly controlled by these Zionists.

Think about the logistics of that, for a brief moment. Now say Holy Spaghetti Monster.
 
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