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UK General Election

angrysoba said:
Just out of interest, do you know if the Salisbury Convention works with coalition governments?.....
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That's a very good question. Coalition governments draw up a coalition agreement, and I suspect that if anything in that wasn't in the largest party's manifesto then it would fail the Salisbury Convention test. However, whilst I would expect that the Salisbury Convention would still apply to items from the largest party's manifesto in the event of a coalition, I can't be certain. In that instance, if there is a majority in the Commons, the items would just bounce back and forth between the Lords and Commons 2 or 3 times, then the Parliament Act would come into play and the government would get its bill through.
 
Darat said:
Nothing wrong with religious fundamentalists holding the entire country to ransom!
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Slightly disappointing that UKIP didn't get a few MPs. Would have been interesting to see whether the Tories would have jumped into bed with them to keep their jobs and shown their true colours.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Slightly disappointing that UKIP didn't get a few MPs. Would have been interesting to see whether the Tories would have jumped into bed with them to keep their jobs and shown their true colours.
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The alacrity with which The Conservatives have leaped into bed with the DUP indicates that there's no party too extreme for them, as long as it's right-wing extremism.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I realise this happens now but that's under freedom of movement where these things don't matter. If you don't want freedom of movement then those things can't continue in the same form. Although reading further I may be misinformed on whether the DUP want to end freedom of movement anyway.
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I would imagine that the law would prevent settling in the United Kingdom. So EU citizens (and non-EU citizens) may be able to come into the UK through Ireland, but wouldn't be allowed work or access to other facilities.

Of course, this is just one of the many, many things that we will be in the dark about until Wise Heads such as Theresa May and her Three Brexiteers have carefully weighed the complex ramifications.

I'm sure we can all have faith in them, judging by their records so far.
 
The Don said:
The alacrity with which The Conservatives have leaped into bed with the DUP indicates that there's no party too extreme for them, as long as it's right-wing extremism.
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You mean like the Lib Dems?
 
McHrozni said:
Corbyn perhaps?......
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I'm not saying it is likely, but it must be something they would now have to contemplate: a cross party team for the Brexit negotiations. Whether Labour would join in "in the country's interest" or prefer to stand back and hope it all goes wrong is another question.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Who knows? A joint Brexit negotiating team might not be completely out of the question if she thinks it would avoid an embarassing defeat later?
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Theresa May going to Corbyn to form a government would be a defeat so humiliating it would become a new word in dictionary.

I'm reasonably sure she would prefer an utter defeat in Brexit talks. Not that there is a need for an or-or decision, she would likely be handed both.

McHrozni
 
Worm said:
Possible? Yes (I think so anyway, certainly in a technical sense.)
Likely? No.
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3point14 said:
I can't see any of the smaller parties leveraging their position to force another referendum so, sadly, I think not.
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angrysoba said:
It could, but it won't. It won't because no party with a hope of power will do it. I expect in some alternative reality where the Liberal Democrats won by a landslide, they would be getting offers from Brussels right now telling them it isn't too late to stop the process.
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Thanks for answering the question. While it is a tiny bit comforting that the US might not be the only totally insane country, I would prefer that the UK reverse its insanity for the sake of its citizens. But I guess that won't happen.
 
MikeG said:
You mean like the Lib Dems?
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Different party under different leadership.

As someone (Darat ?) said, Cameron and Clegg were two sides of the same coin. Cameron at the left side of his party (after all he was selected as the Conservative Blair to snatch the middle ground) and Clegg on the right side of his. Cameron would tend to look leftwards for allies.

Theresa May OTOH is IMO slap bang in the middle of the Conservatives and will tend to look rightwards for allies.
 
MikeG said:
She doesn't. May, as the leader of the largest party, gets a first go at running the show. If she fails to get her Queen's speech through, (which she won't), then Corbyn get's the next go.
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I would be interested to know how that would work.
I have spoken to people this morning - all totally stunned.
 
The Don said:
.........Theresa May OTOH is IMO slap bang in the middle of the Conservatives and will tend to look rightwards for allies.
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I don't agree that she is in the centre of her party, but that's unimportant. I think she would look anywhere she possibly could for support. The only choice is the DUP. What do you do........take it or leave it? Coalition worked out quite well for them last time.
 
angrysoba said:
I would imagine that the law would prevent settling in the United Kingdom. So EU citizens (and non-EU citizens) may be able to come into the UK through Ireland, but wouldn't be allowed work or access to other facilities.

Of course, this is just one of the many, many things that we will be in the dark about until Wise Heads such as Theresa May and her Three Brexiteers have carefully weighed the complex ramifications.

I'm sure we can all have faith in them, judging by their records so far.
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Who knew government would be so complicated!
 
MikeG said:
I don't agree that she is in the centre of her party, but that's unimportant. I think she would look anywhere she possibly could for support. The only choice is the DUP. What do you do........take it or leave it? Coalition worked out quite well for them last time.
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Depends on where your personal moral compass is. The DUP is in many ways an extremist religious party. Their attitude towards gays in particular would rule them out as a coalition partner for me but then again my political views do not align well with the Conservative Party.

In a parallel universe, and ignoring the circumstances that would have allowed my increasingly poor hypothetical to come about, if the BNP had held the balance of power with 10 seats, I hope that The Conservatives wouldn't get into bed with them - but who knows.
 
I've just spent half an hour reading reactions at Conservative Home, and I'd guess that 9 out of 10 comments are calling for May to resign, with David Davies being the most favoured replacement. The logic is that May can't lead the conservatives into another election, so it is only a question of when she goes. It seems that that right wingers think she is on the left of the party, One Nation Tories think she is on the right, and she doesn't have any great support base, being something of an awkward loner. Looks like she is toast.......
 
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