General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
Orwell, the Holocaust, and the 26,000 bombs the US dropped on the ME in 2016

A conspiracy of silence -

Pardon my lousy summary of 1984, but briefly, the best known quote is 'He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past'. And the story centers around Winston Smith who works in the ministry of truth which is responsible for continuously rewriting the past to suit the present needs of the ruling Party. Another quote is ...
'... and then the chosen lie would pass into the permanent records and become truth... Sometimes he talked to her of the Records Department and the impudent forgeries that he committed there. Such things did not appear to horrify her. She did not feel the abyss opening beneath her feet at the thought of lies becoming truths.'

All the while the armies of Oceania are range across the world and are involved in continuous wars to subjugate other nations.

Ninety-nine percent of the time the propaganda and thought programming by the party is sufficient to ensure the compliance of the Outer Party (13%) with the dictates of the Inner Party (2%). The proles (85%) are mindless and a Party slogan is 'Proles and animals are free', and not targets of mind control. However, in the few instances when a Party member deviates from the programming, harsher measure are employed, and he/she is arrested and subjected to forced reprogramming.

Looking at the present western societies, we see that the propaganda apparatus is active 24/7 to condition us to comply with the demands of the governments, in particular to support the continuous operations of the US military and NATO as they attack countries in the middle east.

If we look at for subjects in history that is controlled by the state to the extent that force is employed when it is questioned or challenged, there is only one, and that is the Holocaust, with laws in many countries that subject persons who insist on challenging that aspect of history to severe prison sentences. What is the connection?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

We can trace the motivation for the endless wars in the ME back to a document written in 1985, the Zinon plan,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

And we can follow the steps that led to the Iraq wars and subsequent spreading of the wars, I'm not sure if a YouTube link is a 'hot link' so I'll just give the title ...

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

There are intermediate documents - 'A Clean Break - A New Strategy for Securing the Realm', the PNAC's 'Rebuilding Americas Defenses', and an analysis by 'The Israel Lobby' by Walt and Mearshemier.

And of course, none of this is written up in the NYT or covered on CBS news, this is all part of the conspiracy of silence.

But the most astounding aspect is the what is for all practical purposes the secret of the US bombing campaign in the ME that has been going on continuously for 25 years. For a time, until Obama, you could read on the online Air Force Magazine a Daily Report of the AF sorties in the ME broken down by category. The archive is still online but I'm in a hurry now and don't have time to look up a link. But, there was a report published on the number of bombs dropped by the US in 2016 alone,

https://www.cfr.org/blog-post/how-many-bombs-did-united-states-drop-2016

So, we see the incredible power of the propaganda apparatus, the ability to turn reality upside down, and there is not a peep from the citizenry. We bomb the Muslims for 25 years, killing hundreds of thousands if not millions, ravaging entire countries and turning them into killing fields, and yet we are able to claim that the victims are 'terrorists' bent on destroying our way of life even as we go half way around the world to bomb them out of existence.

So, let's reveal the actual reason for the wars, that the propaganda apparatus protects at all costs - former senator Frizt Hollings summed it up succinctly - 'The war in Iraq is to secure Israel, and everybody knows it'. This is why Israel's history cannot be challenged.

Note to moderator: please note that the Holocaust is not denied in this post, it is mentioned as an essential link connecting Orwell's analysis and the current state of the world.
 
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Saggy said:
A conspiracy of silence -

Pardon my lousy summary of 1984, but briefly, the best known quote is 'He who controls the past controls the future, and he who controls the present controls the past'. And the story centers around Winston Smith who works in the ministry of truth which is responsible for continuously rewriting the past to suit the present needs of the ruling Party. Another quote is ...
'... and then the chosen lie would pass into the permanent records and become truth... Sometimes he talked to her of the Records Department and the impudent forgeries that he committed there. Such things did not appear to horrify her. She did not feel the abyss opening beneath her feet at the thought of lies becoming truths.'

All the while the armies of Oceania are range across the world and are involved in continuous wars to subjugate other nations.

Ninety-nine percent of the time the propaganda and thought programming by the party is sufficient to ensure the compliance of the Outer Party (13%) with the dictates of the Inner Party (2%). The proles (85%) are mindless and a Party slogan is 'Proles and animals are free', and not targets of mind control. However, in the few instances when a Party member deviates from the programming, harsher measure are employed, and he/she is arrested and subjected to forced reprogramming.

Looking at the present western societies, we see that the propaganda apparatus is active 24/7 to condition us to comply with the demands of the governments, in particular to support the continuous operations of the US military and NATO as they attack countries in the middle east.

If we look at for subjects in history that is controlled by the state to the extent that force is employed when it is questioned or challenged, there is only one, and that is the Holocaust, with laws in many countries that subject persons who insist on challenging that aspect of history to severe prison sentences. What is the connection?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

We can trace the motivation for the endless wars in the ME back to a document written in 1985, the Zinon plan,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
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Chossudovsky and his website used as reference material...

We have just reached a new low...
 
Hang on. I thought we wanted to bomb the Muslims because they have been keen to bomb us. Was all that made up too?
 
marplots said:
Hang on. I thought we wanted to bomb the Muslims because they have been keen to bomb us. Was all that made up too?
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Perhaps they want to bomb us because we have been bombing them daily for 25 years, 26,000 bombs in 2016 alone.

What is amazing is that no one is the US knows this, #1, and even more amazing #2, when told, most (Orwell's 85% ?) do not care and do not see the connection.
 
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Saggy said:
Perhaps they want to bomb us because we have been bombing them daily for 25 years, 26,000 bombs in 2016 alone.
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Of course. That's called the "equality of bombing" principle. You bomb me, I bomb you. Anyone who doesn't get bombed feels slighted.

On average, your 26,000 figure only works out to a bomb every 100 square miles or so. Not really that impressive. Naturally, of course, you'd want to concentrate the bombs where the people you want to bomb actually are.

Did you know that seven million pounds of bombs were dropped on D-Day? (Not related to Muslims though.)
 
Saggy said:
Perhaps they want to bomb us because we have been bombing them daily for 25 years, 26,000 bombs in 2016 alone.

What is amazing is that no one is the US knows this, #1, and even more amazing #2, when told, most (Orwell's 85% ?) do not care and do not see the connection.
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1. Assuming facts not in evidence and considering that you can't turn on the TV without finding a documentary about American and coalition military operations downrange there has to be a market for those programs or they wouldn't be made and run. Might want to remember how many popular fiction movies have been made and released wrt the events post - 9/11.

2. I for one do know about Orwell's work. I just don't gas about you pointing in that direction.
 
marplots said:
Of course. That's called the "equality of bombing" principle. You bomb me, I bomb you. Anyone who doesn't get bombed feels slighted.

On average, your 26,000 figure only works out to a bomb every 100 square miles or so. Not really that impressive. Naturally, of course, you'd want to concentrate the bombs where the people you want to bomb actually are.

Did you know that seven million pounds of bombs were dropped on D-Day? (Not related to Muslims though.)
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The equality of bombing principle would make 26,000 bombs equal if 26,000 bombs had been dropped on the US in 2016. You can't just dismiss that as unimportant.
 
Saggy said:
Perhaps they want to bomb us because we have been bombing them daily for 25 years, 26,000 bombs in 2016 alone.

What is amazing is that no one is the US knows this, #1, and even more amazing #2, when told, most (Orwell's 85% ?) do not care and do not see the connection.
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Even more amazing, we have a website where all this information is posted and updated daily:

http://www.inherentresolve.mil/News/Strike-Releases/

Plus, we're dropping bombs on people who need to be bombed...just like we did in WWII.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
The equality of bombing principle would make 26,000 bombs equal if 26,000 bombs had been dropped on the US in 2016. You can't just dismiss that as unimportant.
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Western lives are worth more than Muslim lives. You have to drop more bombs to make it come out right.

Besides, wasn't the strategy - or at least the slogan: Either we make war there or they make war here? Destruction always looks better in countries other than your own.
 
Axxman300 said:
Even more amazing, we have a website where all this information is posted and updated daily:

http://www.inherentresolve.mil/News/Strike-Releases/
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Wow. Yes, this is amazing.


Axxman300 said:
Plus, we're dropping bombs on people who need to be bombed...
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It is prima facie absurd that the peoples we have been bombing continuously for 25 years present any threat whatever to the US.

Thus the question is 'why are we bombing them?'

It is not a mystery. Fritz Hollings put it succinctly 'The war in Iraq is to secure Israel, and everyone knows it'. The OP list gives the sources for the planning for the wars and linked documents reveal the major players, Wolfowitz, Pearle, et. al.

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...just like we did in WWII.
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Again, perfectly absurd, but the real history of the genesis of WW II is completely unknown in the US. The subject for another thread.
 
Saggy said:
Again, perfectly absurd, but the real history of the genesis of WW II is completely unknown in the US.
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"Completely unknown" REALLY Saggy - Really - I suggest you go over and ask those folks at Stormfront if they aren't aware of any such ideas?
 
Saggy said:
It is prima facie absurd that the peoples we have been bombing continuously for 25 years present any threat whatever to the US.
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Your math is lacking.

We haven't been bombing anybody since 1992. Every once in a while while enforcing the No-Fly zone we'd take out a SAM site, but the party didn't begin until 2002.

You leave out the part where we bombed Serbia on behalf of the Muslims in Kosovo.

We are equal opportunity party-poopers.

Thus the question is 'why are we bombing them?'
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Right now it's ISIL/ISIS and the Iraqis asked us for help this time around. By "Iraqis" I mean the Sunni, Shiite, and the Kurds.

Not everyone is as comfortable with atrocities as you are.

It is not a mystery. Fritz Hollings put it succinctly 'The war in Iraq is to secure Israel, and everyone knows it'. The OP list gives the sources for the planning for the wars and linked documents reveal the major players, Wolfowitz, Pearle, et. al.
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As opposed just being a colossal mistake in judgement?

Israel can take care of itself.


Again, perfectly absurd, but the real history of the genesis of WW II is completely unknown in the US. The subject for another thread.
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Hardly unknown.
 
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Axxman300 said:
Your math is lacking.

We haven't been bombing anybody since 1992. Every once in a while while enforcing the No-Fly zone we'd take out a SAM site, but the party didn't begin until 2002.
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From the wiki entry on the no-fly zones ...

"By 1999, the Department of Defense had flown over 200,000 sorties over Iraq.[5]


American and British aircraft continuously maintained the integrity of the NFZ, receiving anti-aircraft fire from Iraqi forces almost daily.[6] The operation ran until its conclusion on 1 May 2003. "

See also on wiki:
1993 cruise missile strikes on Iraq
1996 cruise missile strikes on Iraq
1998 bombing of Iraq

And, last but not least, "Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
 
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