Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[abaddon]

Does the allegory contain truth?

Some wisdom? Perhaps.

A honking great underwater city? Nope.

 

[Craig4]

Again, AGAIN, and for you AGAIN.

Symbols can, and this one WAS adopted without an associated meaning or origin.

God, or the biblical authority said, "make this," "the pattern is over there"...that's it.

What in the actual **** does that have to do with your Atlantis?

 

[Belz...]

You are not qualified to disqualify Plato.

And you're not qualified to authenticate him. Stop playing games, I asked you, but games you continue to play.

One doesn't need to be an expert in history to note that Plato didn't make a claim about Atlantis and didn't provide any evidence for it, nor did you. All he did was create a narrative for his fictional political discussion.

Until you can prove that he did more than that, you have nothing.

 

[Greebo]

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

1) The menorah is a symbol.
2) Symbols can and do evolve over time, even losing their original meaning.
3) Atlantis had three concentric circles.
4) If you take a menorah, delete a bunch of little bits, double it, reverse one of the images, and stick them together, you get three concentric circles.
5) Therefore we have demonstrated that the original menorah image was a representation of Atlantis which was cut in half and eventually changed into a lamp.
6) James Cameron made a video of some submerged ruins which included an image of five curved lines.
7) These lines could be extended in a way to make 5 concentric circles.
8) This submerged ruin is Atlantis.
9) The five circles were probably an original menorah.
10) Therefore we know that Atlantis was real, was located off the coast of Spain, that it's people drew Atlantis as having 5 concentric circles, and that the menorah is a symbol of Atlantis.

The logic is impeccable. All you nit pickers are just nit picking.

I was with you until 3.
4 is "if we had some eggs and ham we could have ham and eggs" logic
5 see 4
6 Jolly good. Next
7 They could be - on the other hand . . . . But didn't you say in 3 that there were three circles - confused as to where the connection is.
8 I thought that half of it was above ground and inland
9 They could have also been a hat, or a child's toy or a nice pattern or . . . . .
10 Err, no

 

[Porpoise of Life]

I think/hope TheSapient was being sarcastic.
Also, the rock where the symbol was found wasn't submerged, it was on top of a hill.
You might say that it can't be Atlantis then, but the hack in the knit cap in Cameron's little fluff piece found a way around that: it's obviously where the people of Atlantis moved to after their city sank. And that's why some scribbles that look nothing like three concentric circles still represent Atlantis: if you destroy three concentric circles, the rubble could look like anything, so the rainbow scribble carving obviously tells us the story of the destruction of Atlantis.

 

[Greebo]

I think/hope TheSapient was being sarcastic.Also, the rock where the symbol was found wasn't submerged, it was on top of a hill.
You might say that it can't be Atlantis then, but the hack in the knit cap in Cameron's little fluff piece found a way around that: it's obviously where the people of Atlantis moved to after their city sank. And that's why some scribbles that look nothing like three concentric circles still represent Atlantis: if you destroy three concentric circles, the rubble could look like anything, so the rainbow scribble carving obviously tells us the story of the destruction of Atlantis.

My post was made on the assumption that was the case. Just trying to re-emphasise the point after the claims were re-stated in this way.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Sorry, I missed that.

That's probably why I don't see clues to the locations of lost civilisations everywhere either.

 

[King of the Americas]

If it is not a menorah, then why use this carving as the evidence that the map of Atlantis symbol evolved into the menorah? That was your argument when you started this thread. Now you're weaseling out of that by claiming that it doesn't look like a lamp, and at the same time implying that this is still the origin of the menorah symbol. Even though it's upside down, has too many branches, and no central stand.
Face it, it looks as much like a menorah as the McDonald's logo does.
You didn't count the negative spaces, did you? Hint, there's more than three...
So we have a symbol that's not connected to Judaism, doesn't look like a menorah, and doesn't look like the map of Atlantis (three concentric circles with a canal connecting them). However, you still maintain that your claims are correct, and you keep refusing to support your own claims.

I simply don't understand your difficultly with symbol adoption...

Those who adopted it, 'turned it INO the menorah' because they didn't have access to its original meaning.

How does an upside down menorah make sense to you?

 

[King of the Americas]

...
Now, if someone finds an underwater city that matches the location, description and timeframe of Atlantis, and find evidence it was abandoned after a cataclysmic event, I will accept I was wrong and this might be Atlantis.

...

How would you know?

 

[King of the Americas]

It contradicts what you have claimed about Plato.

I don't think so, but please explain.

 

[King of the Americas]

Some wisdom? Perhaps.

A honking great underwater city? Nope.

Different piece...

 

[King of the Americas]

What in the actual **** does that have to do with your Atlantis?

My head, the bloody stump, is begging me to stop...

 

[Belz...]

I simply don't understand your difficultly with symbol adoption...

Those who adopted it, 'turned it INO the menorah' because they didn't have access to its original meaning.

How do you know this?

Oh, that's right, you don't. You just made it up.

Tip: just because you can think of an idea that makes sense to you doesn't mean it corresponds to reality in any way.

 

[King of the Americas]

And you're not qualified to authenticate him. Stop playing games, I asked you, but games you continue to play.

One doesn't need to be an expert in history to note that Plato didn't make a claim about Atlantis and didn't provide any evidence for it, nor did you. All he did was create a narrative for his fictional political discussion.

Until you can prove that he did more than that, you have nothing.

Wait, Plato said he 'created' the tale?

I thought he said it was from another text he was privy to?

If that's the case, you guys are calling him a liar.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

I simply don't understand your difficultly with symbol adoption...

Those who adopted it, 'turned it INO the menorah' because they didn't have access to its original meaning.

How does an upside down menorah make sense to you?

It doesn't make sense. And there's no reason to suggest that the ring and cup mark from Stone age Spain inspired the menorah.
I don't understand your difficulty with getting that there is no evidence

 

[Belz...]

Wait, Plato said he 'created' the tale?

You're proceding in reverse. The burden is not to show that he wrote fiction. That much is evident from the writings. It's the absence of the positive that's your problem: you need to show that Plato both considered Atlantis a real place and not just a rhetorical device, and that he got this information from earlier sources and not just from his noggin.

I thought he said it was from another text he was privy to?

When George Lucas wrote Darth Vader saying that the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force, was Lucas making a claim about the force, or was Vader?

It's a character in his story who makes this claim, not Plato.

If that's the case, you guys are calling him a liar.

First of all, Plato never MADE THE CLAIM that you make. He wrote fiction to make a political point. You've been told this time and time again.

Second, assuming we are calling him a liar, so?

 

[King of the Americas]

It doesn't make sense. And there's no reason to suggest that the ring and cup mark from Stone age Spain inspired the menorah.
I don't understand your difficulty with getting that there is no evidence

I never mentioned the ring and cup symbol...that's your claim.

 

[theprestige]

Wait, Plato said he 'created' the tale?

I thought he said it was from another text he was privy to?

If that's the case, you guys are calling him a liar.

The false document is actually a common literary device. Plato wouldn't even have been the only philosopher to have used it.

 

[King of the Americas]

The false document is actually a common literary device. Plato wouldn't even have been the only philosopher to have used it.

Let's keep this in the right dugout.

Did Plato say it was a fiction, or did he say it was a fact, based on a valid source?

 

[Belz...]

Let's keep this in the right dugout.

Did Plato say it was a fiction, or did he say it was a fact, based on a valid source?

Neither. One of the characters in the story says it came from a source.

Just like Vader's comment about the Force.