Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[King of the Americas]

Do any Jewish sources relate it to Atlantis? Is there any mention of the menorah and Atlantis by an original source in the same sentence?

No.

And I need not have ever heard of the phrase "Just Do It.", because I have a pair of Nikes.

 

[Craig4]

No.

And I need not have ever heard of the phrase "Just Do It.", because I have a pair of Nikes.

How does that tie the menorah to your Atlantis? Please be specific.

 

[Craig4]

The symbol could represent the intersection of 'dis-knowledge'...

One traveler goes to a site containing concentric circles possibly Atlantis, goes back home carves a similar symbol on or in a mount, tells others this thing is cool, build it this is what it looks like, and those who receive it, interpret it as "a lamp"...let's add candles!

Yet neither traveler knows what the author of the symbol means because they can't figure out what the author of the symbol meant.

 

[Craig4]

No.

And I need not have ever heard of the phrase "Just Do It.", because I have a pair of Nikes.

Yet if you had to, you could find the connection between the slogan and the shoes. Where is your evidence for such a connection?

 

[Craig4]

Is your Library of Alexandria card up to date?

Is there a document that was in the Library of Alexandria you'd like to introduce as evidence?

 

[King of the Americas]

How does that tie the menorah to your Atlantis? Please be specific.

I'm saying symbols get adopted, their true meanings, associated phrases, locations don't have to be known. And the inverse is also true. There probably not a lot of Nike symbols on their factories in Thailand...

My hometown does not emblazon its 'mark' on items we create.

You want or are otherwise looking for ties, when the only one necessary is the symbol, and a line of providence.

 

[King of the Americas]

Yet neither traveler knows what the author of the symbol means because they can't figure out what the author of the symbol meant.

Again, AGAIN, and for you AGAIN.

Symbols can, and this one WAS adopted without an associated meaning or origin.

God, or the biblical authority said, "make this," "the pattern is over there"...that's it.

 

[King of the Americas]

Yet if you had to, you could find the connection between the slogan and the shoes. Where is your evidence for such a connection?

The swoosh is the only connection needed.

 

[King of the Americas]

Is there a document that was in the Library of Alexandria you'd like to introduce as evidence?

Given the date of its existence, likely.

 

[Kid Eager]

The symbol could represent the intersection of 'dis-knowledge'...

One traveler goes to a site containing concentric circles possibly Atlantis, goes back home carves a similar symbol on or in a mount, tells others this thing is cool, build it this is what it looks like, and those who receive it, interpret it as "a lamp"...let's add candles!

Or perhaps sharing of a Danish pastry, eh?

 

[King of the Americas]

Or perhaps sharing of a Danish pastry, eh?

Could be, is it a well known powerful pastry, that extended its existence across millennia?

 

[TheSapient]

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

1) The menorah is a symbol.
2) Symbols can and do evolve over time, even losing their original meaning.
3) Atlantis had three concentric circles.
4) If you take a menorah, delete a bunch of little bits, double it, reverse one of the images, and stick them together, you get three concentric circles.
5) Therefore we have demonstrated that the original menorah image was a representation of Atlantis which was cut in half and eventually changed into a lamp.
6) James Cameron made a video of some submerged ruins which included an image of five curved lines.
7) These lines could be extended in a way to make 5 concentric circles.
8) This submerged ruin is Atlantis.
9) The five circles were probably an original menorah.
10) Therefore we know that Atlantis was real, was located off the coast of Spain, that it's people drew Atlantis as having 5 concentric circles, and that the menorah is a symbol of Atlantis.

The logic is impeccable. All you nit pickers are just nit picking.

 

[Myriad]

Plato wrote from that which he witness and have evidence of, not "from muses" literally. Sounds like a marketing ploy. He wrote to preserve, inform, and most importantly 'teach'... It would have undermined his authority to make stuff up with no basis in reality.

Plato wrote that the world perceived by the senses (that is, everything we witness and have evidence of) is of little relevance, mere shadows on the wall, and that true reality is abstract ideal forms that are invisible and intangible.

Plato would accordingly reject everything you just said about Plato. If you're going to cite Plato as an authority, flouting Plato's own philosophy in the process undermines every claim you make.

 

[King of the Americas]

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

1) The menorah is a symbol.
2) Symbols can and do evolve over time, even losing their original meaning.
3) Atlantis had three concentric circles.
4) If you take a menorah, delete a bunch of little bits, double it, reverse one of the images, and stick them together, you get three concentric circles.
5) Therefore we have demonstrated that the original menorah image was a representation of Atlantis which was cut in half and eventually changed into a lamp.
6) James Cameron made a video of some submerged ruins which included an image of five curved lines.
7) These lines could be extended in a way to make 5 concentric circles.
8) This submerged ruin is Atlantis.
9) The five circles were probably an original menorah.
10) Therefore we know that Atlantis was real, was located off the coast of Spain, that it's people drew Atlantis as having 5 concentric circles, and that the menorah is a symbol of Atlantis.

The logic is impeccable. All you nit pickers are just nit picking.

Add a line about timelines, and how stratified layers date the location to a known destruction period, and beef up the first with biblical non-references to meaning and origin.

Also, menorah-wise, no need to "take off bits", if you use the most original version.

 

[King of the Americas]

Plato wrote that the world perceived by the senses (that is, everything we witness and have evidence of) is of little relevance, mere shadows on the wall, and that true reality is abstract ideal forms that are invisible and intangible.

Plato would accordingly reject everything you just said about Plato. If you're going to cite Plato as an authority, flouting Plato's own philosophy in the process undermines every claim you make.

My objection is your employment of fictional metaphors = 'pure fiction.'

The allegory of The Cave while not real, certainly contains "truth"...try to bringing enlightenment to people chained in ignorance and see if you are welcomed back...

 

[abaddon]

So "The Cave" wasn't an allegory?

Apparently it's optional. One may cherry pick which bits of plato are real and which are not as suits arguendo du jour.

Or simply make it up out of whole cloth.

 

[King of the Americas]

Apparently it's optional. One may cherry pick which bits of plato are real and which are not as suits arguendo du jour.

Or simply make it up out of whole cloth.

Does the allegory contain truth?

 

[Porpoise of Life]

That's not a proper application of my stance...

In regards to 'this symbol' I think ONLY that this is not a lamp or candle holder. Comparatively speaking, it looks more like Atlantis than a menorah. Upside-downness disqualifies it as a menorah. Maybe the relief featured the negative space as the rings?

If it is not a menorah, then why use this carving as the evidence that the map of Atlantis symbol evolved into the menorah? That was your argument when you started this thread. Now you're weaseling out of that by claiming that it doesn't look like a lamp, and at the same time implying that this is still the origin of the menorah symbol. Even though it's upside down, has too many branches, and no central stand.
Face it, it looks as much like a menorah as the McDonald's logo does.
You didn't count the negative spaces, did you? Hint, there's more than three...
So we have a symbol that's not connected to Judaism, doesn't look like a menorah, and doesn't look like the map of Atlantis (three concentric circles with a canal connecting them). However, you still maintain that your claims are correct, and you keep refusing to support your own claims.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Does the allegory contain truth?

No. No philosophical truth, because there is no realer-than-real world where abstract concepts are located.
And no historical truth, because it was never meant to be a historical document.
If you find a cave with remnants of a fire where someone has been held captive in classical times, you have no more found 'Plato's actual cave' than finding bits of a building underwater means you've found 'the real Atlantis', or the real Ys, or the real Numenor.

Now, if someone finds an underwater city that matches the location, description and timeframe of Atlantis, and find evidence it was abandoned after a cataclysmic event, I will accept I was wrong and this might be Atlantis.
However, what the people in Cameron's little hobby project are doing is finding ruins ranging from the Neolithic right through the Bronze Age, hundreds of miles from one another, some in locations that have never been flooded, and claim that somehow, they're all connected to Atlantis, offering no other there evidence than that an arch scratched into a rock might be a super secret symbol for another even more secret symbol, only for some reason cut in half, and the find of a stone with a hole which might have been an anchor.

 

[Mojo]

Does the allegory contain truth?

It contradicts what you have claimed about Plato.