Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[King of the Americas]

On the other hand, "you've never heard of James Cameron? He's responsible for "Avatar," the movie" is not a good argument in favour of them. I suspect that that was the point that fromdownunder was making.

I employed Cameron, because the previous poster had said, "No one had ever heard of this site and its connection to Atlantis."

The documentary was a collaborative effort between Cameron and National Geographic.

My argument was one of 'authority' but rather popularity.

 

[Mojo]

You've raised an unwarranted objection, after the courtroom emptied.

Speaking of which, that Reuters story you linked to predates your self-imposed exile from the forum. Has there been any expert commentary on these revolutionary discoveries in the last half-dozen years?

 

[Mojo]

I employed Cameron, because the previous poster had said, "No one had ever heard of this site and its connection to Atlantis."

The documentary was a collaborative effort between Cameron and National Geographic.

My argument was one of 'authority' but rather popularity.

Oops.

 

[King of the Americas]

Oops.

Hilarious...

But intellectually dishonest.

I am not saying they are 'right' because they are popular. The poster said he/she had no interest in something no one had heard of.

James Cameron and National Geographic collaborated so that people could/might learn from their findings.

 

[abaddon]

Well, for starters, he made comparisons to The Walking Dead...

You can't compare ANYTHING to The Walking Dead, because its pure awesome and incomparable.

Comparisons are what they are, comparisons.

Are you admitting that you are unable to address the facts presented?

 

[King of the Americas]

Comparisons are what they are, comparisons.

Are you admitting that you are unable to address the facts presented?

Haha, No.

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He doesn't contradict any facts presented or provide any of his own. The review is an assembly of personal attacks, while he ignores everything of substance presented.

For starters, he begins from the exact opposite premise that one should, as a historian and archeologist.

History is riddled with scribes' misperceptions, biases, and then other historians add things resulting in shadows of the truth. Understanding what really happened become the archeological investigation. That what was found and Plato's descriptions, have inconsistencies, while at the same time it is, seemingly...a sunken city, with concentric rings, destroyed in the right period, located in the right spot.

We know Plato did not 'witness' the sinking of Atlantis and that his tale had political ramifications, but the reviewer begins by saying it has no historic value.

The review said these are crackpots chasing a theory with no validity.

If The Cave allegory is to be applied, it should have had the reviewer shackled in the cave.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

If The Cave allegory is to be applied,

And do you know where this cave is? If the allegorical city of Atlantis must exist, this Cave must too.

 

[King of the Americas]

And do you know where this cave is? If the allegorical city of Atlantis must exist, this Cave must too.

"The Cave" is an allegory, not an actual 'cave'...* https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm

Atlantis isn't an allegory, it is history with literary elements.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

"The Cave" is an allegory, not an actual 'cave'...* https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm

Atlantis isn't an allegory, it is history with literary elements.

It is an allegory.

All "history" of it has been people swearing they've found it over here... no, over here... no, off the coast of southern Spain... no, southern Morocco...

A pile of crackpots do not make a body of evidence.

 

[Vixen]

Greetings JREF'ers,

Truly it has been too long...

I hope all of you are well.

The thing that brings me back, is that I'd like feedback on a particular "woo-subject" I was introduced to last week.

So...along the Spanish coast are remnants of 'half' of Atlantis...

http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/tag/hierarchical-constraint-satisfaction/

There are some who postulate that the Menorah was misconstrued as a candle stick, rather than a symbol of the lost city, with half its concentric circles missing.

I've always found Atlantis to be the unfound Troy- a mythical city lost to our knowledge, trapped behind indecipherable passages, waiting to be found by someone willing to look where others have not...

Thoughts?

The Menorah is not actually of the shape of 'half concentric circles'.

Here's a picture I took at Capernaum, which was excavated and relics from AD1 were dug up showing the ancient shapes are much the same as they are now.

The other picture I took, as follows, is of the giant Menorah sculpture outside the Israeli parliament in Jerusalem.

As I understand it Atlantis was a hoax perpetrated by people like Madam Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce.

 

[King of the Americas]

The Menorah is not actually of the shape of 'half concentric circles'.

Here's a picture I took at Capernaum, which was excavated and relics from AD1 were dug up showing the ancient shapes are much the same as they are now.

The other picture I took, as follows, is of the giant Menorah sculpture outside the Israeli parliament in Jerusalem.

As I understand it Atlantis was a hoax perpetrated by people like Madam Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce.

You have been mis/under-informed.

1 AD is still thousands of years behind the cure.

But even in the evidence you present, there was an evolution from one symbol to the next. The earlier version seems to be more concentric circle than the latter, no?

 

[GT/CS]

KotA,
Are you going to address any of the required conditions for a site to be Atlantis or are you content posting like a child on a playground?

 

[Vixen]

You have been mis/under-informed.

1 AD is still thousands of years behind the cure.

But even in the evidence you present, there was an evolution from one symbol to the next. The earlier version seems to be more concentric circle than the latter, no?

Yes, I see that.

 

[Donn]

Atlantis isn't an allegory, it is history with literary elements.

It's aleglessegory. History with alcoholic elements.

 

[King of the Americas]

It is an allegory.

All "history" of it has been people swearing they've found it over here... no, over here... no, off the coast of southern Spain... no, southern Morocco...

A pile of crackpots do not make a body of evidence.

"No one has found it, so it doesn't exist."

Ahhh, that's not the way science or archaeology works, I'm afraid.

 

[Myriad]

By choosing carefully from the many map depictions of Atlantis, and choosing carefully from the many ancient depictions of menorahs, one can find a close match in shape that supports an argument that the menorah is a transformation of the Atlantis map.

By choosing carefully from the many depictions of human faces¹, and choosing carefully from the many depictions of cephalopods², one can find a close match in shape that supports an argument that humans are a type of squid.

¹The Scream by Edvard Munch
²Squidward from Spongebob Squarepants

 

[King of the Americas]

KotA,
Are you going to address any of the required conditions for a site to be Atlantis or are you content posting like a child on a playground?

Sorry, I was unaware of the criteria required to match history with archeological fact...

Maybe you could lay out a hypothetical, say Homer's Troy? Does the site found relate closely, resemble sorta, or is 'exactly' as Homer described it?

I guess a better question would be, "How did you determine which of Plato's words were valid?"

 

[King of the Americas]

It's aleglessegory. History with alcoholic elements.

So, are you the funny one?

 

[King of the Americas]

By choosing carefully from the many map depictions of Atlantis, and choosing carefully from the many ancient depictions of menorahs, one can find a close match in shape that supports an argument that the menorah is a transformation of the Atlantis map.

By choosing carefully from the many depictions of human faces¹, and choosing carefully from the many depictions of cephalopods², one can find a close match in shape that supports an argument that humans are a type of squid.

¹The Scream by Edvard Munch
²Squidward from Spongebob Squarepants

Sound reasoning...

I always employ non-sense when I'm trying NOT to make a logical argument.

"A little non-sense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka

 

[King of the Americas]

Yes, I see that.

And so, what does that mean, then?