JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

[No Other]

Except we see the C2766 on the 40.2" rifle.
No C2766 on your imaginary 36" weapon.

a C2766 is on the 40.2" rifle.

Explain all that in terms of a unique serial number.

It was Robotimbo that said "unique" and it is BK that stresses the serial number.

 

[MicahJava]

What were the findings of the autopsy?

I can tell you the findings according to the official autopsy report, which is the third draft and not contemporary with the time of the autopsy, but I can not tell you the findings of the autopsy.

 

[HSienzant]

Unique infers one of a kind; the purchase order calls out only for 36" rifles; Crescent shows that a 36" rifle with the serial number C2766 was shipped on June 18, 1962.

What evidence is there that shows Crescent shipped a 40.2" rifle with the serial number C2766?

Are you serious?

The rifle recovered from the Depository has that serial number.

Working backward, we find that rifle measured 40.2 inches.

Working backward, we find that rifle has Oswald's prints on it in two places. It was still a 40.2" rifle.


Working further backward, we find that rifle was in Oswald's possession when the backyard photos were taken in late March of 1963. It was still a 40.2" rifle.

Working further backward, we find that Klein's shipped that rifle to Oswald on March 20th, roughly a week before the backyard photos were taken.

There is an error in your logic someplace, and it is isolated to here: "Crescent shows that a 36" rifle with the serial number C2766 was shipped on June 18, 1962."

Justify that with something besides inferences. Were specifically does it say the C2766 rifle shipped in June of 62 was 36"?

Hank

 

[RoboTimbo]

a C2766 is on the 40.2" rifle.

It was Robotimbo that said "unique" and it is BK that stresses the serial number.

Why do you think rifles have unique serial numbers?

 

[HSienzant]

I can tell you the findings according to the official autopsy report, which is the third draft and not contemporary with the time of the autopsy, but I can not tell you the findings of the autopsy.

So by your own admission, you have no evidence. Just your own layman's opinion.

And we've already told you what that is worth.

Hank

 

[RoboTimbo]

I can tell you the findings according to the official autopsy report, which is the third draft and not contemporary with the time of the autopsy, but I can not tell you the findings of the autopsy.

Why do you wish to substitute your opinions for the autopsy findings then? If you've posted your qualifications for doing so earlier, I missed it. Can you diirect me to that post?

 

[No Other]

Show that paperwork, please.

I can provide the sworn testimony of the President of Crescent that says he has paperwork which reflects. It is a shame that the WC did not ask for the paperwork or have Feldsott testify, you need to ask the Commission why they felt it was unnecessary to see it.

You've already been corrected on the item number. It's the same for both rifles.

It is only the same when the ad for the 40.2" ran, the 40.2" ad did not run when LHO/Hidll ordered the rifle, the only rifle available for the C20-T750 was the 36"... this is a fact.

And yet they had them to ship.

please show the paperwork.

Case closed then. Do you believe there is a 36" MC with the same serial number as the 40" one we know actually exists and that Oswald owned them both?

I have no opinion.

What evidence do we have of the existence of a 40" MC with serial #C2766?

you need to answer this, I have shown my proof.

How many rifles are given the same unique serial #?

One official one, the one that the President of Crescent said he sent... where is your proof that a 40.2" rifle was shipped with C2766 on the barrel?

 

[HSienzant]

I haven't lost anything, I agree that the C2766 was shipped to LHO, it was a 36" rifle and that is the proof I have shown.

No, that was your inference from the advertisement that Oswald used to order the rifle (Oswald used a ad from a February magazine, which was on the newsstands in January of 1963. That means that ad was printed two months before the order. The advertisements on newsstands in March of 1963 showed the 40" rifle. That's what Klein was advertising in March, and that's what they were selling & shipping in March. They shipped Oswald a 40.2" rifle, as shown by the measurement of the rifle in the National Archives.

This is the same weapon found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. Give it up and move on to a new subject.

This is your inference, I have shown records that disprove your position.

Untrue. Klein's paperwork shows that C2766 rifle was shipped to Oswald.

You haven't shown any evidence that Crescent shipped 36" rifles in June of 1962.

Hank

 

[Tomtomkent]

1. The face sheet, autopsy doctors, and autopsy witnesses confirm that "slightly above" means slightly above, not 4 inches above. Common sense would tell us that if they bothered to measure 2.5 centimeters, "slightly above" probably means less than 1 centimeter above.
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No. Your interpretation means you assume it is less than a centimetre. Unfortunately I am not interested in what is convenient for your pet theory. The findings of the autopsy, and the evidence given to the WC disagree with you. Even your own need for wounds to be explained speaks against you.

What common sense DOES tell us, is that if you have to keep asking for explanations of the wounds given your preferred placing, while the wound as established in xrays, photographs, and WC testimony, would CAUSE those wounds, then clearly the best fit for the evidence is the accepted placement of the wound.

Why you arguing AGAINST the answer to your own questions is a clear defiance of common sense.

 

[HSienzant]

Case closed then. Do you believe there is a 36" MC with the same serial number as the 40" one we know actually exists and that Oswald owned them both?

I have no opinion.

You've been insisting Klein's shipped Oswald a 36" rifle. Now you have no opinion whether that even exists? So you think Klein's shipped Oswald a non-existent rifle that measures 36" long?

This is starting to rival your flip-flopping on Frazier, he was certain he saw Oswald with a package that was 27" but maybe he didn't see Oswald with a package at all.

Hank

 

[Tomtomkent]

I can tell you the findings according to the official autopsy report, which is the third draft and not contemporary with the time of the autopsy, but I can not tell you the findings of the autopsy.

Where precisely would you expect to read the findings of the autopsy if not in a report that, by necessity, will be composed AFTER the completion and not contemporary with, the autopsy?

Why would the number of drafts be of note?

What reasons are there for multiple drafts outside of those you find suspicious?

I suspect your answers will only be evidence of your ignorance, or determination to make mundane things suspicious to suit your pet theory.

 

[Tomtomkent]

you need to answer this, I have shown my proof.One official one, the one that the President of Crescent said he sent... where is your proof that a 40.2" rifle was shipped with C2766 on the barrel?

The evidence there would be the rifle, with those numbers stamped on them.
The burden is for you to actually supply evidence (you keep using the word "proof" wrong) that there is another rifle with that unique serial number, or the claims of the President of Crescent are moot. His memories do not match measurable, objective, evidence.

 

[No Other]

Why do you think rifles have unique serial numbers?

Tractability and we tract the C2766 back to a 36" rifle, this cannot be done with the 40.2" rifle.

 

[abaddon]

1. There is paperwork that shows Crescent shipped and delivered to Klein's a 36" rifle with the serial number C2766 June 18, 1962.

Wrong. The rifle bearing serial number C2766 was delivered on a much later date. Know what date that was? 13-Feb-1963

2. Klein's shows shipping a C20-T750 (the advertised item number from the coupon that Hidell ordered) to Hidell in March '62.

1962?

3. Klein's did not advertise the 40.2" MC until April '63. There was no advertisement from Oct '62 through March '63

Sure. They were simply shifting the old stock first. SOP in retail operations.

4. A 40.2" rifle with C2766 was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Yup.

5. There is no record of a 40.2" rifle being shipped by either Crescent or Klein's with a serial number C2766.

Wrong. C2766 has a mile long paper trail right from Genoa to Oswald. At no point is length mentioned. Not 36". Not 40".

 

[No Other]

The evidence there would be the rifle, with those numbers stamped on them.
The burden is for you to actually supply evidence (you keep using the word "proof" wrong) that there is another rifle with that unique serial number, or the claims of the President of Crescent are moot. His memories do not match measurable, objective, evidence.

It was not memories, he made this statement on 11-23-1963 after looking at his records. The Commission had the ability to subpoena the records, they chose not to do so. The President was bound by oath and was eligible for perjury if he provided false testimony/affidavit. The number on the 40.2" is not proven to be a serial number, the C2766 is associated with the 36" rifle with many cross references.

Show your proof that the C2766 on the 40.2" rifle is a serial number.

By the way, with the sworn testimony, that becomes evidence and it becomes verifiable when required to provide it... the Commission must have believed him as they did not drag him into to court for perjury and they did not ask him for the documentation.

 

[No Other]

Wrong. The rifle bearing serial number C2766 was delivered on a much later date. Know what date that was? 13-Feb-1963

The company that shipped it says differently, so now you want to contest direct testimony/affidavit when even the WC elected not to challenge him? I guess you have knowledge that the WC did not posses... then what is that knowledge?

1962?

1963

Sure. They were simply shifting the old stock first. SOP in retail operations.

This has nothing to do with the 36" and 40.2" issue, receipts show that Klein's received stock of the 36" into February 1963.

Wrong. C2766 has a mile long paper trail right from Genoa to Oswald. At no point is length mentioned. Not 36". Not 40".

Please show all the paperwork.

 

[abaddon]

It was not memories, he made this statement on 11-23-1963 after looking at his records. The Commission had the ability to subpoena the records, they chose not to do so. The President was bound by oath and was eligible for perjury if he provided false testimony/affidavit.

Except that he did provide the documentation in full and it was entered into the WC reports.

The number on the 40.2" is not proven to be a serial number, the C2766 is associated with the 36" rifle with many cross references.

Show your proof that the C2766 on the 40.2" rifle is a serial number.

Now you are claiming that Frazier committed perjury?

By the way, with the sworn testimony, that becomes evidence and it becomes verifiable when required to provide it... the Commission must have believed him as they did not drag him into to court for perjury and they did not ask him for the documentation.

Wrong. That documentation is all there in the WC report.

 

[No Other]

You've been insisting Klein's shipped Oswald a 36" rifle. Now you have no opinion whether that even exists? So you think Klein's shipped Oswald a non-existent rifle that measures 36" long?

I have no opinion on what happened to it.

This is starting to rival your flip-flopping on Frazier, he was certain he saw Oswald with a package that was 27" but maybe he didn't see Oswald with a package at all.

Poisoning the well

 

[RoboTimbo]

I can provide the sworn testimony of the President of Crescent that says he has paperwork which reflects. It is a shame that the WC did not ask for the paperwork or have Feldsott testify, you need to ask the Commission why they felt it was unnecessary to see it.

Oh, I thought when you said there was paperwork showing it, that there would be paperwork showing it. Now you're saying you were in error.

It is only the same when the ad for the 40.2" ran, the 40.2" ad did not run when LHO/Hidll ordered the rifle, the only rifle available for the C20-T750 was the 36"... this is a fact.

LOL. Thank you for admitting it's the same number.

please show the paperwork.

We have the actual gun. What is it you have again?

I have no opinion.

Of course you do. You have the CT opinion.

you need to answer this, I have shown my proof.One official one, the one that the President of Crescent said he sent... where is your proof that a 40.2" rifle was shipped with C2766 on the barrel?

No, you need to answer it. How did a 36" MC barrel get stretched to make it a 40" MC barrel?

What was the WC testimony concerning duplicate seriial numbers?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Tractability and we tract the C2766 back to a 36" rifle, this cannot be done with the 40.2" rifle.

No, your claim here is in error. We have an actual 40" MC rifle with that unique serial number. What is it again that you have to compare to that for your claim of a 36" one?