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acbytesla said:
Yes and No.

Watergate was a very slowly building story. Little tidbits were added to the story a little at a time. I lived through it. I was a politically active teenager at the time. Clearly a good portion of his Senior Staff were involved. But no one really talked of Impeachment of Nixon for a long while.

I've been refreshing my memory by reading almost everything I can on Watergate lately. (Because of Trump) And it all has come flooding back on me. The Watergate hearings made minor celebrities of people like Sam Ervin and Fred Thompson It was his question to White House assistant Alexander Butterfield that inevitably led to Nixon's resignation.
https://youtu.be/MeQXopJ5U-Q

The entry in Wikipedia is very good summary (Even though it's fairly lengthy) I recommend it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
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Thanks.
 
If impeached or resigned, Trump would not exit like Nixon did because Trump has to stay on top because he has businesses and a big ego. He would blame Washington and not himself. He would never admit to lying or any crimes. He cannot hang his head low and slink away.
 
William Parcher said:
If impeached or resigned, Trump would not exit like Nixon did because Trump has to stay on top because he has businesses and a big ego. He would blame Washington and not himself. He would never admit to lying or any crimes. He cannot hang his head low and slink away.
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Then his end will be much much worse. He'll be hated by the Democrats and the Republicans. Trump will have made a lot more enemies and not have the resources to reinvent himself.
 
acbytesla said:
Then his end will be much much worse. He'll be hated by the Democrats and the Republicans. Trump will have made a lot more enemies and not have the resources to reinvent himself.
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It also wouldn't get a pardon if there's the potential for criminal prosecution. If it resigns under a cloud or is impeached, the Republicans will have blown all their political capital lying and denying for it since it won the nomination. Also, as Spider-Man has told Peter Griffin and his friends, "Everybody gets one. One." Another pardon could spell the end of the party.
 
William Parcher said:
IMO, the reason that Trump publicly announced "you better hope there are no tapes", is because he knows that it wasn't recorded. By saying that, he tries to suggest that Comey is lying. When the public hears those words from Trump it's supposed to convince them that he is in the right and Comey is wrong. You do this by pretending that you think there might be a recording even though you know there isn't. It's a dirty psychological tactic which is essentially a lie.
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Yeah, but Comey or anybody else in that boat could say "I say you're a lying snake. Prove me wrong. Let's hear the tapes." Then Trump has to make up some ridiculous excuse for why he doesn't have them. Or worse, there are tapes, he releases them and they don't prove what Trump actually believes they prove.
 
Babbylonian said:
It also wouldn't get a pardon if there's the potential for criminal prosecution. If it resigns under a cloud or is impeached, the Republicans will have blown all their political capital lying and denying for it since it won the nomination. Also, as Spider-Man has told Peter Griffin and his friends, "Everybody gets one. One." Another pardon could spell the end of the party.
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No, it won't end the party. It will hurt the party. Nixon resigned in August of 74 and was pardoned by Ford in mid September. The November midterms a month later saw the Republicans lose 49 House seats and 4 Senate seats. Two years later they lost the White House. But 4 years after that Reagan took power and a lot of those seats flipped.
 
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Armitage72 said:
"All total lies! I never told Comey to quit investigating Flynn; I said to have him assassinated before my Russian handler got outed! Sad."
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Watching Trump pick fights with the FBI and CIA is like watching a snotty teenager pick a fight with the world heavyweight champion. This is only the beginning of the beginning.
 
Bob001 said:
Yeah, but Comey or anybody else in that boat could say "I say you're a lying snake. Prove me wrong. Let's hear the tapes." Then Trump has to make up some ridiculous excuse for why he doesn't have them. Or worse, there are tapes, he releases them and they don't prove what Trump actually believes they prove.
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Both ways Trump is screwed. This is so deja vu. I'm starting to think that I'm in the Twilight Zone.(Another cultural reference that dates me...A TV show for those of you who didn't live through the 60s and 70s) John Dean was in a similar situation with Nixon. He had been cooperating with the FBI investigating Watergate. They were dubious of what he had been telling them He said he felt like on one occasion Nixon was recording him but doing it in a way that only his responses would have been recorded.

Later the FBI called him in for more questioning and said that not only that one meeting Dean had with the President may have been recorded but all of his conversations with the President. They expected his story to crumble at this news but Dean was elated as it proved everything he said was true.
 
acbytesla said:
No, it won't end the party. It will hurt the party. Nixon resigned in August of 74 and was pardoned by Ford in mid September. The November midterms a month later saw the Republicans lose 49 House seats and 4 Senate seats. Two years later they lost the White House. But 4 years after that Reagan took power and a lot of those seats flipped.
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In other words, things returned to normal and people voted with their (stagflation) pocketbooks.


"If you resign now, I'll give you a pardon." This is similar to letting a dictator go live in France or somewhere in exchange for leaving peacefully. What a terrible analogy.
 
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Stacko said:
Worth noting: Sessions, who had to recuse himself from Russia probe because of his own talks with Russia, is overseeing search for FBI director.
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And not getting anywhere fast, last I checked. Gowdy's out. So's Cormyn. Even the half-jestingly suggested Merrick Garland doesn't want the job.

Wonder why no one wants to be the FBI director of a Russian stooge being passed off as President... ;)
 
Babbylonian said:
Even taking into account all the people who wanted the hellbeast out of office the day it was inaugurated, that's a very high number. I despised the last Republican administration, but there was no point from 2000-2008 that I would have advocated impeachment.
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Note that was before the relevation of Trump asking Comey to end an investigation into Flynn a few months ago.

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