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Aridas said:
Ehh... If so, it's only in the most superficial and least meaningful possible way. This question pretty much sounds like a scenario question like "If one writes down "Go to the store" on their to do list, and then goes to the store, are they doing what the list told them to do?"

Of more importance than that, though, is how Trump tried to push the responsibility for the decision onto the writer of the memo and the memo, when he was just using the memo as a pretext.
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Yeah he's a jerk for doing that. He's a jerk for a lot of other reasons as well. But his incoherence apparently works for him and I think he sometimes does it on purpose. There's a built-in lack of clarity, because he tends not to speak in simple declarative sentences.
 
Tony Stark said:
I wonder if Flynn is willing to go to prison for Trump. I doubt it.
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If he's under Russian/Turkish influence, he has way more reason to protect them than Trump.
Trump is in no position to make concessions to Russia and is already moving against Turkey by arming the Kurds.
So his paymasters have every incentive to make him cause as much damage as possible to Trump and the US political system.
 
Minoosh said:
Yeah he's a jerk for doing that. He's a jerk for a lot of other reasons as well. But his incoherence apparently works for him and I think he sometimes does it on purpose. There's a built-in lack of clarity, because he tends not to speak in simple declarative sentences.
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Just the opposite is true.

Interview with Lester Holt, 5/11/2017:
"DONALD TRUMP: Look he's a show boat, he's a grand stander, the FBI has
been in turmoil. You know that, I know that. Everybody knows that. You take
a look at the FBI a year ago, it was in virtual turmoil, less than a year ago, it
hasn't recovered from that" (www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/transcript-donald-trump-nbc-news/)

Nothing but declarative sentences.
 
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dudalb said:
There are some Conservatives who get this:


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447557/donald-trump-james-comey
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That's a good read and usually I can't stand Krauthammer.

dudalb said:
I think you are seeing a massive miscalucation by the GOP leadership in Congress;I think they know that the Trump presidency is headed for a trainwreck but they hope to get the main points of their agenda passed before the locomotive goes over the bridge. That is where they are making their mistake:the locomotive is out of control,and will go ever the edge before their agenda get passed.
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I don't read the situation like that because the Republican agenda is far more in tune with Pence than Trump, any Republicans reluctant to not vote down party lines will be a LOT more vulnerable to a Pence phone call, and with no Trump around to suck all the media oxygen out of the air, the Elephants can turn to friendly media to flog their bills and actions. Sure, Trump won't veto any legislation out of this session but he won't help them either. In fact, his extreme bloviating hurts them.

Rather, I think they can read the solid (so far) polls and don't want to rock the base. There's still plenty of time to be primaried from the right. But a year from now that won't be the case so Representatives will have a little longer leash.

And, of course, before that if the base starts to soften or the independents become disenchanted with the incessant tomfoolery, that calculus will change over night. Trump could get into serious trouble in a weeks time. Watch McConnell; if he EVER goes wobbly (to quote the Iron Lady) then the goose is cooked.
 
BobTheCoward said:
How insane is it that people are defending Nixon now.
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Nixon was an enigma; Trump is not that complicated. Nixon was smart. He saw a larger picture, and understood it was time to leave public life, probably at least somewhat for the good of the party.

If it weren't for the thousands of U.S. war dead on his watch I would be more forgiving.
 
Minoosh said:
Nixon was an enigma; Trump is not that complicated. Nixon was smart. He saw a larger picture, and understood it was time to leave public life, probably at least somewhat for the good of the party.
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That is the problem: what has Trump got to lose?

Given his money and the respect people have for the office, I fear prison is not going to happen for him, especially at his age.
And there is no party loyalty for him to consider, or loyalty of any kind.
Trump can ride out his term with 0% approval rating, playing golf and eating ice cream at the taxpayer's expense.
 
marplots said:
Just the opposite is true.

Interview with Lester Holt, 5/11/2017:
"DONALD TRUMP: Look he's a show boat, he's a grand stander, the FBI has
been in turmoil. You know that, I know that. Everybody knows that. You take
a look at the FBI a year ago, it was in virtual turmoil, less than a year ago, it
hasn't recovered from that" (www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/transcript-donald-trump-nbc-news/)

Nothing but declarative sentences.
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Followed by, "Maybe I'll expand that, you know, lengthen the time (of the Russia probe) because it should be over with, in my opinion, should have been over with a long time ago. 'Cause all it is, is an excuse but I said to myself, I might even lengthen out the investigation, but I have to do the right thing for the American people. I want that to be so strong and so good. And I want it to happen."

They are declarative sentences, but when he keeps referring to something as "it" and parentheses are needed to keep his sentences on the rails, things get confusing. On purpose, I tend to think.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
That is the problem: what has Trump got to lose?

Given his money and the respect people have for the office, I fear prison is not going to happen for him, especially at his age.
And there is no party loyalty for him to consider, or loyalty of any kind.
Trump can ride out his term with 0% approval rating, playing golf and eating ice cream at the taxpayer's expense.
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That won't feed his ego, though. When no one wants to interview him anymore, no one takes him seriously anymore, when he doesn't get headlines about getting 2 scoops of ice cream (pathetic), he will suffer from the lack of prestige. But maybe enough people will turn out for rallies to keep reality at bay. Maybe not.
 
TraneWreck said:
I posted this in the Russia thread, but it's relevant here:

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55048/trump-russia-finances/

Money laundering is often provable because of the paper (now digital) trail. Interesting angle.
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Suppose for the sake of this question that Trump companies have been involved in money laundering. Since that occurred before he became president, is it an impeachable offense. Second, it implies that the Rooskies have a lot of leverage over him, is that relevant to an Amendment 25 action?
 
Minoosh said:
Yeah he's a jerk for doing that. He's a jerk for a lot of other reasons as well. But his incoherence apparently works for him and I think he sometimes does it on purpose. There's a built-in lack of clarity, because he tends not to speak in simple declarative sentences.
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As marplots noted... it's not about using simple declarative sentences. If there's a lack of clarity, it's far more because Trump lies, rather pathologically, and the lies span the gamut between plausible and pants on fire false.
 
logger said:
No it was ANOTHER leftist witch hunt to take down a republican president who didn't even know about the half ass burglary.
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And our little friend at last lets the mask slip.

Good job, log - you really had me fooled. You've sustained it longer than Daniel Day-Lewis probably could. Do you work this over-the-top, wacky right-winger character anywhere else on the internet? Must be a gas.

Honest, I applaud you.
 
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