The Trump Presidency

[Steve]

Trump did nothing but sit back and let hillary hang herself. He literally just let it happen.

Please note the topic of the thread.

 

[Meadmaker]

Trump is saying the Russians are laughing but at the stupid democrats for blaming her loss on them, got it? Probably not!

Actually, can you name a Democrat that is doing that? I can't. I know there are some people yapping on the internet who might say that, but in terms of real live people of any significance, the kind of people who might appear as talking heads that represent the Democratic side of the argument, I haven't heard it.

I've heard it from Limbaugh and Hannity, but not from Democrats. If Trump is indeed saying that, he's engaging in a straw man fallacy.

 

[logger]

Actually, can you name a Democrat that is doing that? I can't. I know there are some people yapping on the internet who might say that, but in terms of real live people of any significance, the kind of people who might appear as talking heads that represent the Democratic side of the argument, I haven't heard it.

I've heard it from Limbaugh and Hannity, but not from Democrats. If Trump is indeed saying that, he's engaging in a straw man fallacy.

You haven't heard it from Hillary? You may want to discount the multitudes of leftist who say it, even on here. Who do you think is calling their representatives to tell them this BS?

 

[Meadmaker]

You haven't heard it from Hillary? You may want to discount the multitudes of leftist who say it, even on here. Who do you think is calling their representatives to tell them this BS?

From Hillary? No.

From internet yappers, people who call their representatives, "man in the street" sorts? Yeah, probably. I can think of one person specifically here on ISF. There are a lot of people who repeat a lot of stupid BS.

But from intelligent people who think about what they are saying? No. I haven't heard it.

 

[logger]

From Hillary? No.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...37ddb6e813e_story.html?utm_term=.fb94fdc93ede

 

[skyeagle409]

Trump did nothing but sit back and let hillary hang herself. He literally just let it happen.

With Russian asistance.

Trump is saying the Russians are laughing but at the stupid democrats for blaming her loss on them, got it? Probably not!

You missed the point, and here it is.

Trump is the dupe in Russia photo op

(CNN) -- Russian officials are having a grand old time laughing at the United States -- and at President Donald Trump. The events of the past few days would seem to indicate that their efforts to aid Trump's election may have paid off after all -- and paid off handsomely -- with a United States weakened by division, its government consumed with a crisis rooted in Moscow's 2016 election interference.

The Russians' barely-contained euphoria this week shone most visibly in Washington, of all places. As if acting out a script from Saturday Night Live, Trump welcomed top Russian officials to the White House on Wednesday. This was just hours after Trump's bombshell firing of FBI Director James Comey, which drew outraged calls for the appointment of a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of election meddling. Politicians and pundits drew comparisons to Watergate and Richard Nixon's doomed presidency.

The happy Russians? They had a special gift for Trump as he welcomed them to the Oval Office.

If the Trump administration were not plagued with stunning incompetence, someone might have realized that welcoming Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russia's ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, on a day when Trump was being accused of trying to quash an investigation into his campaign's ties with Russia, was an extraordinarily stupid thing to do.

http://www.abc-7.com/story/35408826/trump-is-the-dupe-in-russia-photo-op

To sum it up, Trump is a dummy who was duped by the Russians!

 

[skyeagle409]

Well of course liberals infecting our government have a tendency to take things where they shouldn't be.

Actually, that is false and the turmoil at the White House is that proof. Since Trump became president, there has been nothing but controversy, firings, outright lies, and turmoil within the White House. Now, I am hearing that China is outmaneuvering the United States under Trump in the Far East because Trump is stupid.

 

[Meadmaker]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...37ddb6e813e_story.html?utm_term=.fb94fdc93ede

Yeah, that headline is kind of misleading.

The email releases definitely hurt her. No doubt about that. And it is said that hackers from Russia were responsible for that hack. So, yes, Russian hackers played a role in her defeat, but only in that they exposed private communications of Clinton's team. I read the article and I just don't see "Hilary blames the Russians" in anything she said.

I think it's more like "Hillary blames bad press and out of context information, delivered with maximum effect", and her own inability to counter it.

I don't know. Maybe it's too subtle of a distinction. What I see from Democrats is a narrative of "Bad press caused our defeat", and some of that bad press got into the press via the activity of Russian hackers. What I hear from right wing radio yappers is more along the lines of "Hillary says Russians colluded with Trump to steal the election." There's a real difference between the two statements.

Where it really becomes important is in understanding why we ought to be having official investigations into Russian activity during the election. Republicans, including Trump, seem to be saying, "Democrats are trying to make excuses for losing!" No. That's not it. Democrats, and others, think that any sort of Russian activity during the elections is alarming, and we want to know the extent of that activity, why they were interested, and whether any Americans were participants or partners. It's not about explaining an election loss. It's about tracking influence of a hostile foreign power on American elections or within American government.

 

[TraneWreck]

He doesn't have to, most of us knew what he was getting at.

Work that one out. Explain how what Trump wrote has been validated. Again, here's the quote:

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Go for it.

 

[skyeagle409]

You do realize hillary and her losers hatched this "it was all Russia's fault" scheme soon after her grand, decisive, and pitiful defeat?

How peculiar considering that Hillary got about 2.9 million votes more than Trump and that Trump got the lowest approval rating of any new president. And now, thanks to Trump, the US is losing out to China as well.

Trump has blown US credibility in Southeast Asia: Poll
An overwhelming majority expects China to fill the strategic vacuum

TOKYO -- U.S. President Donald Trump's policy, or lack thereof, on Southeast Asia has gutted American credibility, a survey by an influential think tank has found.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Eco...s-blown-US-credibility-in-Southeast-Asia-Poll

Make America great again: Dump Dumb Trump!!

 

[logger]

Work that one out. Explain how what Trump wrote has been validated. Again, here's the quote:



Go for it.

That his campaign people were being spied upon? Easy!

 

[logger]

How peculiar considering that Hillary got about 2.9 million votes more than Trump and that Trump got the lowest approval rating of any new president. And now, thanks to Trump, the US is losing out to China as well.

Its in a new book out, you can read all about it.

 

[skyeagle409]

Its in a new book out, you can read all about it.

It is no secret that Hilliary got the popular vote over Trump. Trump has proven that he is unfit to be president.

 

[skyeagle409]

That his campaign people were being spied upon? Easy!

By whom? I want names and the law that allows such spying. And don't try to pull the wool over the eyes of those who know the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act better than Trump.

 

[logger]

Yeah, that headline is kind of misleading.

The email releases definitely hurt her. No doubt about that. And it is said that hackers from Russia were responsible for that hack. So, yes, Russian hackers played a role in her defeat, but only in that they exposed private communications of Clinton's team. I read the article and I just don't see "Hilary blames the Russians" in anything she said.

I think it's more like "Hillary blames bad press and out of context information, delivered with maximum effect", and her own inability to counter it.

I don't know. Maybe it's too subtle of a distinction. What I see from Democrats is a narrative of "Bad press caused our defeat", and some of that bad press got into the press via the activity of Russian hackers. What I hear from right wing radio yappers is more along the lines of "Hillary says Russians colluded with Trump to steal the election." There's a real difference between the two statements.

Where it really becomes important is in understanding why we ought to be having official investigations into Russian activity during the election. Republicans, including Trump, seem to be saying, "Democrats are trying to make excuses for losing!" No. That's not it. Democrats, and others, think that any sort of Russian activity during the elections is alarming, and we want to know the extent of that activity, why they were interested, and whether any Americans were participants or partners. It's not about explaining an election loss. It's about tracking influence of a hostile foreign power on American elections or within American government.

They didn't hack voting machines. They didn't give money to campaigns. They hacked into emails and made the information public. The emails they hacked were owned by morons who didn't take security very serious. Any news media outlet would have published the material as many did. Most look at it as a joke. The Dems made it so easy for hackers, its like they were asking them to do it.

 

[TraneWreck]

That his campaign people were being spied upon? Easy!

That's not what that tweet said.

But go ahead, make the case as you see it.

 

[logger]

By whom? I want names and the law that allows such spying. And don't try to pull the wool over the eyes of those who know the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act better than Trump.

Now how in the hell is a logger going to pull the wool over the eyes of the geniuses you're talking about?

 

[skyeagle409]

They didn't hack voting machines.

Hilliary got millions more votes than Trump. Now, what can you tell us about the Electoral College (EC)?

Why did Hillary and Trump slam the EC before the 2016 election?

 

[logger]

Hilliary got millions more votes than Trump. Now, what can you tell us about the Electoral College (EC)?

What did Hillary and Trump slam the EC?

Criminey sakes, do you really not know the answer to that?

You're forcing me to get up and get a beer.

 

[skyeagle409]

Now how in the hell is a logger going to pull the wool over the eyes of the geniuses you're talking about?

You can't. I knew that Trump was not aware of the specifics of the FISA, otherwise, Trump would not have dared make his false wire-tapped claim against Obama who simply did not authority to do what Trump had falsely claimed. Trump didn't know the specifics of the FISA because he is ignorant, which once again, is why he cannot present evidence to support his claim because there is no evidence for him to present.