Merged Trump Fires Comey....

[acbytesla]

I don't think Trump's implying either.

First, "Comey better hope" obviously implies that Comey wouldn't be aware of any recording, otherwise Comey would not have contradicted in public what he had said in private.

Second, the phrase also implies that Trump himself is not aware of any recording. Now, maybe he is, but it's phrased in such a way as to provide plausible deniability while making a threat, but I don't think Trump's that clever. He just attacked; nothing more than that.

The above two implications would seem to suggest that Trump is himself implying the possibility that some third party may have recorded their conversation without the explicit knowledge of either Comey or Trump.

"Maybe Russia can find the recording."

You're either being disingenuous or you don't understand the concept of a veiled threat.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

You're either being disingenuous or you don't understand the concept of a veiled threat.

That's harsh. No **** it's a veiled threat. What do you think I was implying in my analysis of Trump's statement? It was a direct response to JPK's question, "Is he implying Comey taped the conversation or that Trump taped the conversation," if that helps.

 

[The Big Dog]

You're either being disingenuous or you don't understand the concept of a veiled threat.

false dichotomy

sounds like a bluff not a threat

 

[Meadmaker]

false dichotomy

sounds like a bluff not a threat

I thought the same thing, although with a hint of threat in it. In other words, he was making a threat, but there was no real substance to the threat. He didn't record the conversation, or if he did he is a much bigger idiot than I would have thought possible. If he did, then Comey had nothing to fear anyway. Why would Comey hope that the contents of the conversation not be revealed?

If Trump thought it through, he might have been making a bluff for the benefit of his supporters. He might have been telling a lie of the form, "You are lying, Mr. Comey, and I could prove it if only I had a recording." It's all B.S. of course, but some people will buy it.

This whole incident is really odd in some ways. My life is not impacted very much at all by the identity of the FBI director, so who cares if he is fired? On the other hand, my life is affected at least somewhat by the identity of the President of the United States, and his conduct in this affair has reinforced my earlier impressions of him. He is impulsive, irrational, narcissistic and, in plain terms, a liar.

Thanks goodness for frequent elections and the separation of powers.

 

[acbytesla]

false dichotomy

sounds like a bluff not a threat

Probably a bluff. But DEFINITELY a threat.

 

[acbytesla]

That's harsh. No **** it's a veiled threat. What do you think I was implying in my analysis of Trump's statement? It was a direct response to JPK's question, "Is he implying Comey taped the conversation or that Trump taped the conversation," if that helps.

Totally my fault. I somehow misread it. Please accept my apology

 

[fuelair]

He can't help himself. His narcissism is so out of control that it leads to the most severe case of diahreah of the mouth ive ever witnessed. He publicly encouraged Russia to hack Clinton. He publicly admitted to obstruction of justice (in essence). He publicly threatens Comey. Etc, etc.

If not for the tapes, Nixon probably would have weathered the storm. I highly doubt there are such tapes this time. I predict the diahreah of the mouth will be his undoing. Could be impeachment, could be 25th amendment. Or maybe he just resigns. Either way, it's up to Republicans to make it happen. And up to public opinion to instill in them fear of 2018 election.

More specifically he suffers from chronic running off of his vowels accompanied by expected bouts of oral diarrhea!!!!

 

[fuelair]

FTFY!

 

[fuelair]

If things don't get better quick, Trump won't get impeached but directly committed to a psychiatric hospital.

I hear Ivanka has power of attorney.

embiggened and encolored by me to emphasize the important thing above!!!!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5c30f8-376b-11e7-b412-62beef8121f7_story.html

Sounds like Cornyn is kissing right up to Trump get that job. The GOP in the Senate will not vote unanimously to confirm that appointment.

It also looks like I-hate-my-job Cruz might have been in on the begging.

Texas senators Cornyn and Cruz defend Trump's firing of Comey

Both U.S. Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz will play important roles in choosing Comey's successor, both in their roles on the Senate floor and from their perches on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which oversees the Department of Justice.

Maybe like Cheney on the committee to pick GW's VP?

Cornyn:

"I've heard what I think is a phony narrative that he did this somehow to squelch the investigation into Russia, which I don't believe there's any evidence of," he said. "But if you assume that, this strikes me as a lousy way to do it. All it does is heightens the attention given to the issue."

If he doesn't think there's any evidence Trump fired Comey to quash the investigation then what does he think of the evidence there was collusion between Trump's staff and Russia?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Conryn? I would say he's qualified. He served as AG of Texas and on the Texas Supreme Court.

If he would be a Trump lackey is another question.

I think the answer to your last question is in my post above.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't think Trump's implying either.

First, "Comey better hope" obviously implies that Comey wouldn't be aware of any recording, otherwise Comey would not have contradicted in public what he had said in private.

Second, the phrase also implies that Trump himself is not aware of any recording. Now, maybe he is, but it's phrased in such a way as to provide plausible deniability while making a threat, but I don't think Trump's that clever. He just attacked; nothing more than that.

The above two implications would seem to suggest that Trump is himself implying the possibility that some third party may have recorded their conversation without the explicit knowledge of either Comey or Trump.

"Maybe Russia can find the recording."

ETA: Of course, as I said before, I don't think Trump's that clever. He has no idea how the things he says could be parsed. He tweets thrice and thinks once (maybe).

I'm going with, Trump imagines Comey said no investigation on the phone while I bet Trump was misreading Comey's careful avoidance of the topic, and those tapes are because Trump believes the CT that he's being spied on through wire taps.

 

[trustbutverify]

If using a private server and deleting emails is a coverup than surely the Bush WH is guilty of one since they deleted millions of them. Or is it OK when a Republican does it?

Not just OK, but brilliant.

 

[trustbutverify]

Last night on CBS Nightly News, they asked a Trump supporter...

"Would it bother you if it was proven that Trump and the Russians colluded to help get him elected?" - or words to that effect.

After a brief pause, the lady responded, "No".

They said this was a typical response from Trump supporters.

They got their guy in. "By all means necessary" comes to mind.

So, even a "smoking gun" is unlikely to sway the true believers.

At least there was a brief pause.

 

[Modified]

I'm going with, Trump imagines Comey said no investigation on the phone while I bet Trump was misreading Comey's careful avoidance of the topic

Possibly. If he didn't explicitly say "yes", Trump might take it as a "no". In the Holt interview though, I think he makes it clear that he knows it is a lie. He appears to be making up the last two of the "three occasions" on the fly, and quickly throws in "which I knew anyway". He starts rapidly sputtering a bunch of stuff instead of simply and directly answering the question.

 

[Cain]

I still think that if Trump gets impeached (and convicted) because of Russian collusion, Gorsuch needs to either resign or risk impeachment himself.

 

[logger]

I've read that the White House records all calls in and out as a matter of policy - that wasn't confirmed with anything resembling confidence (and did dummy call from the cell phone he uses to tweet?).

I almost get the impression that it's a straight up bluff. An attempt to preemptively intimidate Comey.

I really don't know. Consider how wildly inaccurate his "wiretapp" claim was. Any and all possibilities are on the table.

It was only done to send the left into another tail spin. I'm thanking you for him.

 

[acbytesla]

At least there was a brief pause.

All of this has made me go back and review Nixon and the Watergate scandal. There is so much that is different, but there is a lot that was similar. Keep in mind that the root crimes involved dirty campaign tricks including wiretapping, burglaries of Democratic headquarters. (Sound familiar? )Nixon crushed McGovern in that election and it all started to unravel within months of the second inaugural. Nixon had a 67 percent favorable rating for his 2nd innaugural by May it dipped below 50 percent and by September it was in the low 30s. But 25 percent still supported him when he resigned.

Keep in mind that Trump was at 36 on January 20th. He climbed to 50 and took a nosedive and is now back at 36. Most of which is fairly solid support. But he can lose some of it but probably like Nixon even after there is overwhelming proof that he's a crook 25 percent will not quit on him. Watch.

 

[acbytesla]

I still think that if Trump gets impeached (and convicted) because of Russian collusion, Gorsuch needs to either resign or risk impeachment himself.

You're dreaming. Won't happen.

 

[logger]

All of this has made me go back and review Nixon and the Watergate scandal. There is so much that is different, but there is a lot that was similar. Keep in mind that the root crimes involved dirty campaign tricks including wiretapping, burglaries of Democratic headquarters. (Sound familiar? )Nixon crushed McGovern in that election and it all started to unravel within months of the second inaugural. Nixon had a 67 percent favorable rating for his 2nd innaugural by May it dipped below 50 percent and by September it was in the low 30s. But 25 percent still supported him when he resigned.

Keep in mind that Trump was at 36 on January 20th. He climbed to 50 and took a nosedive and is now back at 36. Most of which is fairly solid support. But he can lose some of it but probably like Nixon even after there is overwhelming proof that he's a crook 25 percent will not quit on him. Watch.

Lol
Wishful thinking.