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Merged A God of Love / The Living God

Job 38

The Lord Speaks

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me."
 
Hokulele said:
Heh, following on from that comment:

1 Cor 13:4 - Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful;
1 John 4:8 - Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Exodus 20:5 - You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Yeah, about that self-contradiction. :D
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Well, no, love is not jealous or boastful.

Jealousy is jealous and boastful.

You can be loving and jealous at the same time.

I'm kind of just messing with you. It's also kinda true.
 
stargazer0519 said:
Well, no, love is not jealous or boastful.

Jealousy is jealous and boastful.

You can be loving and jealous at the same time.

I'm kind of just messing with you. It's also kinda true.
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So you don't go with:

1 Cor 13:4 - Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful;
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Perhaps this is allegorical then?

You should talk to The Big Dog about this. He has the good oil on what is literal and what is allegorical in the Bible.
 
Thor 2 said:
So you don't go with:



Perhaps this is allegorical then?

You should talk to The Big Dog about this. He has the good oil on what is literal and what is allegorical in the Bible.
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He is far too busy figuring out who are the members of the secret soviet society here.
 
Slowvehicle said:
You are, as is usually the case with superstitionists, misusing the regular English verb "know".
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Actually not.

Slowvehicle said:
You believe a good many things that I (for one) do not; you have yet to provide the least bit of actual evidence for some of the things you profess to believe.
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Yep . . my faith is bigger because of the more that I believe. Now the big point here is if it is of value to have more to believe in. Depends on the value of what one believe in . . .and then the knowledge of the power of faith. As for me it is the Creation power of God. To tap into it means that creation possibility has entered in your life. Big words. Now if one does not believe it you will not have that possibility. Then on the other hand if you believe in it then you do have that possibility. That would make a huge difference in life to have it. Unfortunately it only exists in God's nature. And then also in the nature of His children as they are obviously the same as their Father.

Now the question in you is this:Can this be? Because if it can be then you miss out on much not to be partaker of this. But you want evidence. Yep that you will see . . .much of . . but for the sake of this thread it is just of the Love of God created . . ..by faith . . .in me.

You see?

Love Johan
 
Johanabrahams said:
God bestowed His love upon me . . .changed me . . and made me over . .in His image. So He is so special . . .and for me . . . I am just a witness of what He wants to do for you too.

Love Johan
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Is this at all like being assimilated into the Borg Collective?
If so, then no, thanks.
 
Shalamar said:
I did nothing of the sort. I may be God, but I don't pick people to be special.
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You miss something here. Not picked in that sense. But rather "taken out" because of myself giving me . . .to Him . . .to take out . . .after He put the choice in front of me . . .which is now in front of you.

Love Johan
 
Argumemnon said:
Which is a problem with your theory, don't you think? Real things can be observed by all.
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Which now defines your problem. You are unable to see. And you make me a theory . . . .but I am not. I exist. And as you said: everyone is observing me.
And therefor it is real. And you . . .that has been blind . . .is now starting to see . . .me. That is a miracle . . .because Jesus did open the eyes of the blind.


Love Johan
 
Crossbow said:
And did you get fries with that?
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Having left now what is important for human beings and realizing in His wisdom what is of more importance I went for what is now of more importance which I am giving to you all . . .a new me. Enjoy . . . . .me.

Love Johan
 
Giordano said:
I hope The Big Dog will rejoin this conversation! Many or most of his posts have involved tit for tat dismissive or glib arguments with the atheists (such as myself) among us. This thread instead appears to represent a perfect opportunity for TBD to get into substantial issues of religion and faith with Johanabrahams- the very types of discussion that TBD has indicated he wishes to address. And I honestly would look forward to that serious level of discussion; I might learn things despite my skepticism/atheism!
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You have a very good point there. I am sure he will appreciate that and do it even if it is just for you . . . a real "love" situation presented.

Love Johan
 
bruto said:
What? I asked when it became the case that humans are the only animals that fight,
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Ok . . .no problem . . .all earthly created species fight.

bruto said:
and you say it happened when God picked you out?
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When He took me out of the human race . . .I stopped fighting.

bruto said:
Quite apart from the fact that you later contradicted your own statement, that response simply makes no sense at all. Not even a little bit.
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Ok how does it look now?


bruto said:
Do you read the posts you respond to? Do you even read your own posts?
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Yep . . .this is the first time somebody replied with such a response . .. so obviously most feel that I do read them
Seems it was just your normal misunderstanding existing in the human species which of course is no problem to correct.

Love Johan
 
Johanabrahams said:
Actually not.
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Actually so, as demonstrated by the next bit...

Johanabrahams said:
Yep . . my faith is bigger because of the more that I believe. Now the big point here is if it is of value to have more to believe in. Depends on the value of what one believe in . . .and then the knowledge of the power of faith. As for me it is the Creation power of God. To tap into it means that creation possibility has entered in your life. Big words. Now if one does not believe it you will not have that possibility. Then on the other hand if you believe in it then you do have that possibility. That would make a huge difference in life to have it. Unfortunately it only exists in God's nature. And then also in the nature of His children as they are obviously the same as their Father.

Now the question in you is this:Can this be? Because if it can be then you miss out on much not to be partaker of this. But you want evidence. Yep that you will see . . .much of . . but for the sake of this thread it is just of the Love of God created . . ..by faith . . .in me.

You see?

Love Johan
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...where you continue to claim your unsupported beliefs as "knowledge". Without non-anecdotal, objective, empirical evidence, you are acting out the textbook definition of a superstition.

No matter what you believe.
 
The Norseman said:
Alright. Please define 'god' in a coherent, meaningful, and testable way. For you to ascribe attributes such as "god of love", we must first know what the entity is and how it has the capability/possess the characteristics of 'love'.
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The Almighty Creator of everything. That is not human because we can create no life. And what exists should come from a being which is of such personality that we name Him with the word God. Yes . . .many give attributes to this God. Many worshiped Him in many ways. And for some He does not exist. As for me . . .I met Him personally . . .and this is just a testimony but no evidence. True. But eventually in His attributes . . .I started to know Him as Father. And me . . .His child. And there I see is the evidence. Because for me to exist I must have a Father.
For instance . . .if you see a mouse . . .you know that there is a similar one from which it origins and if you see a lion you know likewise and if you see me you know likewise.

The Norseman said:
No, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Can't just gloss over the evidence you've got for this 'god' entity and its claimed existence and go right for assigning (or rather, imagining) attributes of it.



Similes are good, in their appropriate place and time. But again, jumping the gun here a bit.



Here's another attribute you're assigning to your 'god' before we have any evidence that the 'god' is capable of actually having it. Does a rock have wisdom, for example? No. It's not capable of the attribute of 'wisdom' then. Similarly, we must be able to say the same thing for your 'god' before we can argue if this 'god' actually possesses the trait or not.
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So let us continue. If you see the difference in the character of a mouse and a lion you know where it comes from. Their respective fathers. And if you see a difference in me you know where it comes from . . .my Father.

And if you see wisdom . . you know where it origins from because it is not a characteristic of humans.

The Norseman said:
And you do not see what I see. Are you willing to learn? I think your mind and heart are closed to reality.



So what is it that I know and you do not? Are you willing to learn?
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Is a lion willing to learn from a mouse? And even further . . .does a lion that has been a mouse and changed to a lion . . .does it need to learn from a mouse?

The Norseman said:
It's quite simple, really. If you think your bible has all the answers, then we're pretty much done here. The god of the bible has been thoroughly proven to not exist for a very long time now.
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If one does not know of the existence of something it is easy to find resolution in reasoning of not existence. And also how can that proof that that something does not exist?

The Norseman said:
I say, just relax and be happy in all of what it means to be a human being! Love if that's your wont, or don't. You certainly do not need any book or nebulous, vague 'god' to encourage you to be a better human!
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If a higher species exists and the possibility to became one then surely one should take it. Like the lion that used to be a mouse and took it to become the king. Now it does not need to learn anything from the mouse . . .because it has been that . . .but now .. . . the king.

Love Johan
 
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Johanabrahams said:
Ok . . .no problem . . .all earthly created species fight.



When He took me out of the human race . . .I stopped fighting.



Ok how does it look now?




Yep . . .this is the first time somebody replied with such a response . .. so obviously most feel that I do read them
Seems it was just your normal misunderstanding existing in the human species which of course is no problem to correct.

Love Johan
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Right, so you read posts. It does not unfortunately make your responses better, or the contention that you have been removed from the human race any wiser. Correcting your misstatements is not correcting my misunderstanding either.
 
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