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[hecd2]

The same thing they do with the existing, already in production use, concentrator PV cells. The same thing they do with existing, already in production use, internal combustion engines. They dump it to a radiator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrator_photovoltaics

Idiotic. 200kW plus steady state?! A least five times more waste heat than an IC engine? In snarled traffic? Pull the other one.

Oh, and what "existing, already in production use, concentrator PV cells"?

 

[michaelsuede]

Idiotic. 200kW plus steady state?! A least five times more waste heat than an IC engine? In snarled traffic? Pull the other one.

Oh, and what "existing, already in production use, concentrator PV cells"?

The waste heat isn't a problem that can't be solved.

Like these production PV cells:
https://www.bsqsolar.com/technology/

Those are cooled using passive radiators. BrLP doesn't even need to bother with a passive system, giving them even greater cooling potential. The waste heat is a non-issue.

 

[Reality Check]

So far none of you have take me up on my offer to ask Mills any questions.

You need to actually read the thread :

About an hour before your assertion I gave you Five questions on fairly basic physics for Mills. I even supplied the answers so that you can see for yourself if Mills replies with ignorance or lies!

 

[hecd2]

It doesn't work like that.



So, is it possible to build a steam powered car using the BrLP SunCell? - yes.

Would it be a massive waste of time and resources to do so? - absolutely.

Why would it be a massive waste of time and resources? - because the added complexity of the boiler system, the condenser system, and all the moving and pressurized parts and weight associated with it would be made completely obsolete by simply develping a PV system instead.

You act as if they have unlimited resources to pursue a million different avenues of development. How much do you think it would cost to design, implement and prototype such a steam powered system? How much time do you think it would take?

Come dude - think a little before speaking.

So you throw away at least 90% of the power generated as waste heat. You attempt to develop a technology that requires a large graphite dome, heated to above 3000K at which temperature the graphite evaporates, and a PV system closely surrounding this dome which has to operate at hugely elevated temperatures and incident power. You need to control the reaction so the dome doesn't evaporate quickly, and you have to cool the PV cells so they are not completely cooked by the nearby 3000K+ source. Within the dome you have molten silver being pumped around and you need a power source to melt the silver and to start the reaction in the first place. And this is simpler than a technology that was perfected in about 1850?

All this assumes that hydrinos exist and that there is a process that produces energy from transitions to fractional states of hydrogen. But, in reality the theory is riddled with inconsistencies, hydrinos don't exist, and so the engineering issues above are moot. Anyone who invests in this scam after 30 years of utter failure is an idiot.

 

[michaelsuede]

So you throw away at least 90% of the power generated as waste heat. You attempt to develop a technology that requires a large graphite dome, heated to above 3000K at which temperature the graphite evaporates, and a PV system closely surrounding this dome which has to operate at hugely elevated temperatures and incident power. You need to control the reaction so the dome doesn't evaporate quickly, and you have to cool the PV cells so they are not completely cooked by the nearby 3000K+ source. Within the dome you have molten silver being pumped around and you need a power source to melt the silver and to start the reaction in the first place. And this is simpler than a technology that was perfected in about 1850?

All this assumes that hydrinos exist and that there is a process that produces energy from transitions to fractional states of hydrogen. But, in reality the theory is riddled with inconsistencies, hydrinos don't exist, and so the engineering issues above are moot. Anyone who invests in this scam after 30 years of utter failure is an idiot.

Carbon has a sublimation point of 3915 K. As you saw in the letter, and in the previous video I posted, BrLP has already developed the control systems necessary to manage the reaction in a closed system.

As you saw in the link I provided, concentrator cells capable of handling 1000 suns intensity already exist, and they are cooled using completely passive systems that don't even require heat sinks.

So yeah, these problems are non-issues.

 

[Dave Rogers]

The waste heat isn't a problem that can't be solved.

Like these production PV cells:
https://www.bsqsolar.com/technology/

Those are cooled using passive radiators. BrLP doesn't even need to bother with a passive system, giving them even greater cooling potential. The waste heat is a non-issue.

The thing about solar concentrator cells is, whatever the level of concentration, that's also the inverse of the fraction of area taken up by the cell. So, for example, a 1000x solar concentrator cell automatically has an area of 1000x the cell area available for a passive heat sink. That's not the case with high intensity cells filling the solid area around a very hot source, where the available area for passive heat sinking is equal to the area of the cell, resulting in the heat sinking needing to be 1000 times more effective than in a solar concentrator application. And yet, you claim BrLP doesn't even need a passive heat sinking system.

So, in reply to your earlier offer, can you please ask Mills to explain how the waste heat, amounting to over 90% of the heat generated in the system, is actually removed from the photovoltaic cells, and how hot he expects those cells to run?

(My theory predicts that you will either handwave away this question, come up with some irrelevant reason why it doesn't meet the terms of your offer to pass on questions, or simply ignore it.)

Dave

 

[hecd2]

The waste heat isn't a problem that can't be solved.

Like these production PV cells:
https://www.bsqsolar.com/technology/

Those are cooled using passive radiators. BrLP doesn't even need to bother with a passive system, giving them even greater cooling potential. The waste heat is a non-issue.

What has that link to do with anything? You have 200kW* plus of waste heat that needs to be dissipated and you hand wave it away. Those PV cells are sitting in the sun and receiving at most 1.4kW/m². What is the incident power on your cells? You really have no idea about engineering, do you?

* the 10% efficiency is likely to be an over-estimate as it depends on the PV cells being 40% efficient. But that is near the ultimate efficiency of multi-junction PV cells. In this case, the source is unlikely to be on the maximum sensitivity of the cells, the incident power is much higher than the cells are designed for, and the cells will be operating at a much higher temperature than design. So the efficiency is likely to be much below 40% and so the system efficiency might be as low as 5% or less. That would mean 400kW plus of heat that must be dissipated gracefully.

Of course hydrinos don't exist, so this is like arguing about whether light sabres work mostly in the visible or the ultraviolet.

 

[michaelsuede]

Why waste time with PM's, why not just have them post their questions right here in this very thread for all to see? That way we'll all know what questions were asked, and better stil, which ones Mills bothered to try and answer, and how. What is there to hide?

People can do both if they like.

I don't plan on sticking around to watch this troll-fest of a thread through. I only come back to post in this thread if I have new information to share, such as the letter I received today.

So if you want to be sure your question gets to Mills, send it to me in a PM.

So far, I have no takers.

 

[jrhowell]

As you saw in the link I provided, concentrator cells capable of handling 1000 suns intensity already exist, and they are cooled using completely passive systems that don't even require heat sinks.

Solar energy at the earth's surface is mostly in the visible wavelengths. Concentrating does not change that. The output from the graphite dome will be mainly infrared. Those cells are going to get hot!

 

[hecd2]

Carbon has a sublimation point of 3915 K. As you saw in the letter, and in the previous video I posted, BrLP has already developed the control systems necessary to manage the reaction in a closed system.

As you saw in the link I provided, concentrator cells capable of handling 1000 suns intensity already exist, and they are cooled using completely passive systems that don't even require heat sinks.

So yeah, these problems are non-issues.

You have no idea what you are talking about. High concentration PV cells operating at 1000 suns concentrate the solar radiation 1000 times on to the multijunction cells, but the incident radiation is no more than the irradiation from the sun, at most 1.4kW/m². In this case, the irradiation power density would be much higher - of the order of 23kW/m², and the waste heat enclosed by the PV cell sphere would be ten times that at over 200kW/m² or ~150 times greater than these cells are designed for. If you think that PV cells sitting a few centimetres away from a graphite dome heated to 3000K plus will be 25C with passive cooling, you are really in cloud cuckoo land. But then you're in cloud cuckoo land anyway.

 

[hecd2]

I don't plan on sticking around to watch this troll-fest of a thread through.

I think, on this subject, all the trolling is coming from Mills shills.

 

[jrhowell]

There is also the pressure management issue. I believe that markie indicated that the interior will be at several atmospheres during operation and that the outside would be kept at a matching pressure with inert gas to keep the dome from exploding or imploding. I'm sure BLP can manage to tack on a few more months of effort in trying to get that right, while blowing up several expensive devices along the way.

And it seems to me that it would be very easy for shockwaves from the reaction going on inside to shatter the dome, even if the pressure is properly regulated.

Of course, in a steam system you can can use a much more sturdy reactor vessel and eliminate this entire set of problems inherent in the PV design.

 

[Reality Check]

So far, I have no takers.

That is ignorance of the today's post, michaelsuede: Today, 12:29 PM Five questions on fairly basic physics for Mills.
Unless he have me on ignore so could someone quote me to make sure that he knows that there is at least 1 taker?

 

[michaelsuede]

You have no idea what you are talking about. High concentration PV cells operating at 1000 suns concentrate the solar radiation 1000 times on to the multijunction cells, but the incident radiation is no more than the irradiation from the sun, at most 1.4kW/m². In this case, the irradiation power density would be much higher - of the order of 23kW/m², and the waste heat enclosed by the PV cell sphere would be ten times that at over 200kW/m² or ~150 times greater than these cells are designed for. If you think that PV cells sitting a few centimetres away from a graphite dome heated to 3000K plus will be 25C with passive cooling, you are really in cloud cuckoo land. But then you're in cloud cuckoo land anyway.

If I take a huge parabolic mirror or use a lens to concentrate incident solar radiation 1000 times on to the surface of a pv cell, the incident radiation per meter on the surface of that cell is no longer 1.4kW/m. So why are you arguing as if this is still the case? These cells are built to deal with megawatts of power per meter.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

That is ignorance of the today's post, michaelsuede: Today, 12:29 PM Five questions on fairly basic physics for Mills.
Unless he have me on ignore so could someone quote me to make sure that he knows that there is at least 1 taker?

I think he wants you to PM him.

 

[Aepervius]

If I take a huge parabolic mirror or use a lens to concentrate incident solar radiation 1000 times on to the surface of a pv cell, the incident radiation per meter on the surface of that cell is no longer 1.4kW/m. So why are you arguing as if this is still the case? These cells are built to deal with megawatts of power per meter.

Where can I get some of those cell ? Because it ain't certainly at the place you linked. While that's true they can receive technicallly MW per m², the surface of the chip itself is minuscule on the cell. If you visit the product they offer you will see that the surface they offer is the "collecting" surface of the panel of 55m² , thus at most 70 kW something, and that is concentrated on cell to produce 13kW.

13.44kW peak power output – hosts 48xBSQ-D280 HCPV modules
53.5 m2 collecting surface

That is RIGHT THERE to be read.

And again, the problem you would have with your dome, is the problem of waste heat, place, and that those cells would not be able to handle so much waste heat, you would not be able to place them "side by side" silicon by silicon.

 

[jimbob]

No, you can't. The results would be catastrophic in a collision. Moreover, the cooling mechanism required for normal operation would be huge.

No, a BLP powered car would be incredibly safe and would never collide with anything. Of something did collide with it, it would be as safe as a completely inert thing... both these safety features are admittedly due to it providing no power, so there is a rather significant downside.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Molten silver at moderate temperature and low pressure, in an enclosed magnetic pump driven recirculating system, that has no moving parts, and is small enough to fit in a half meter square area. Can't do that with a steam engine.

You should probably co-ordinate with markie and Mills. They're both claiming that the SunCell generates so much heat that it's a severe problem for the device. In fact, the amount of heat generated has been specified as the main problem Mills is encountering.

Also, isn't liquid a moving part?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

You act as if they have unlimited resources to pursue a million different avenues of development. How much do you think it would cost to design, implement and prototype such a steam powered system? How much time do you think it would take?

So what you're saying is install steam-powered ones in power stations first in order to make the maximum amount of money off the invention and then use that money for further development?

 

[LTC8K6]

So far none of you have take me up on my offer to ask Mills any questions.

I figured there wouldn't be anyone with any respectable questions to ask.

"respectable"

I think any sceptic questions would be used to promote BLP, which I believe is a scam outfit promoting scam ideas and scam devices.

Mills will likely simply not answer any question that would pin him or BLP down.

In short, asking Mills sceptical questions will not result in any clarification of anything, imo. Mills will simply use the questions, in one way or another, to support his scam.