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Merged All things Trump + Russia

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Tillerson/Russian counterpart press conference: Pretty interesting.

Both gave Russia an out throwing Assad under the bus for the chemical bombs.

Russian counterpart notes that the US wasn't going after Al Nusra, that's why Russia is bombing Assad enemies the US considered allies.

Both agree fighting ISIL is a higher priority than Assad.

Russia denies the email hacks, Tillerson says the US has enough evidence.
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Didn't quite finish watching it, but then forgot to follow up. Interesting; this is the drift I was sensing but was not sure of.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Tillerson/Russian counterpart press conference: Pretty interesting.

Both gave Russia an out throwing Assad under the bus for the chemical bombs.

Russian counterpart notes that the US wasn't going after Al Nusra, that's why Russia is bombing Assad enemies the US considered allies.

Both agree fighting ISIL is a higher priority than Assad.

Russia denies the email hacks, Tillerson says the US has enough evidence.
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Interesting
 
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia in 2015.

Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.
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Juicy! From your link:
European allies were supplying information about people close to Trump meeting with Russians in Britain, the Netherlands and in other countries, the Times said. There are now multiple investigations going on in Washington into Trump campaign officials and Russia. They include the FBI-led counter-espionage investigation and probes by both the House and Senate intelligence committees. Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House committee, has expressed an interest in hearing from Christopher Steele, the former MI6 officer whose dossier accuses the president of long-term cooperation with Vladimir Putin’s Moscow. Trump and Putin have both dismissed the dossier as fake. One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said. “This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”
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dudalb said:
I suspect that Trump thinks that Putin served his purpose in helping to get him elected, and now Putin's support has become a polticial liability,and it's time to dump him.
I got a feeling that Putin is now thinking that old saying "I bought the guy fair and square, but the SOB would not stay bought!".
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How did Putin help Trump get elected?
 
Argumemnon said:
He didn't "get" Trump elected. He influenced the elections by attacking Clinton, which may have had something to do with Trump's win, and Trump may have known and collaborated with him. If true, that's treason.
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Ha ha! Politicians attacking each other!* That's unheard of. It's an outrage!

And, as we all know, the US has never attempted to influence the outcome of an election anywhere in the world and certainly not a Russian one.

Let's go to war!

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Get a grip on reality, folks!



* BTW: Please provide an example of Putin attacking Hillary Clinton before the election.


'Stephen Cohen: This is Most Dangerous Moment in U.S.-Russian Relations Since Cuban Missile Crisis':


 
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JihadJane said:
Ha ha! Politicians attacking each other!* That's unheard of. It's an outrage!
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Russia hacking the DNC and releasing their findings to Wikileaks in order to swing the election to Trump is just like one politician attacking another?
 
JihadJane said:
Ha ha! Politicians attacking each other!* That's unheard of. It's an outrage!

And, as we all know, the US has never attempted to influence the outcome of an election anywhere in the world and certainly not a Russian one.

Let's go to war!

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Get a grip on reality, folks!



* BTW: Please provide an example of Putin attacking Hillary Clinton before the election.


'Stephen Cohen: This is Most Dangerous Moment in U.S.-Russian Relations Since Cuban Missile Crisis':


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Manboobs didn't write an op ed here; he used his intelligence services to hack an election and release the information through a proxy.
 
Argumemnon said:
He didn't "get" Trump elected. He influenced the elections by attacking Clinton, which may have had something to do with Trump's win, and Trump may have known and collaborated with him. If true, that's treason.
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Lose the "ifs" and "may haves" and you'll have an argument.

Craig4 said:
Manboobs didn't write an op ed here; he used his intelligence services to hack an election and release the information through a proxy.
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Perhaps. Perhaps he sat home and ate pizza.
 
JihadJane said:
Ha ha! Politicians attacking each other!* That's unheard of. It's an outrage!
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I'm sure you think that's an accurate representation of what I said, but you'd be wrong.

We're not talking about standard political stuff, here. An ad paid by Trump to attack Clinton, for example. We're talking about what is essentially an enemy country favouring one candidate over the other, acting on that bias, and being helped by that candidate and his team. How is that not treason?
 
Argumemnon said:
I'm sure you think that's an accurate representation of what I said, but you'd be wrong.

We're not talking about standard political stuff, here. An ad paid by Trump to attack Clinton, for example. We're talking about what is essentially an enemy country favouring one candidate over the other, acting on that bias, and being helped by that candidate and his team. How is that not treason?
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In what way Russia is an enemy of the United States of America?

By definition, it is not possible for one country to commit an act of treason (the crime of betraying one's country) against another country.

How did Putin act on his alleged bias? How did Putin help Trump and his team? Real-life examples, please.

I look forward to seeing actual examples of Putin attacking Clinton before the election or favouring Trump over Clinton. Maybe you can provide some but bear in mind that Clinton's pre-election stance was explicitly anti-Russian, while Trump said he was not seeking conflict with Russia.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Hacking into the DNC emails then dripping them out at convenient times, for one. We don't know yet if they did more than that.
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No, we do not know that Putin hacked into DNC emails and dripped them out at convenient times. Please provide the evidence that leads you to believe otherwise.
 
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