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CapelDodger said:
That's about the size of it.

I think Putin despises Western democracy, which he regards as a hypocritical sham, and is delighting in how easy - and cheap - it appears to be to screw it around.
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IMHO Putin hoped both to destabilize the US AND put somebody in the White House he could easily mainipulate into a pro Russian policy. He suceeeded in the first but failed in the second, because Putin did not cover his tracks well enough.
And whether the destablisation of US politics will work as well for Russia as Putin has hoped remains to be seen.
Putin might not have been as clever as he thought he was being.
 
The_Animus said:
An Onion article from April 7th titled: "Trump Confident U.S. Military Strike on Syria Wiped Out Russian Scandal"

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-confident-us-military-strike-syria-wiped-out-55722

Today in an interview with the Telegraph, Eric Trump said: "If there was anything that Syria did, it was to vindicate the fact there its no Russia tie."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ction-syria-proves-not-league-putin-says-son/

:D
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Alec Baldwin said something similar on SNL.
 
jimbob said:
I guess the Trump - Putin honeymoon period is over with US missile strike on the Syrian airfield that the US clsims launched the sarin attack.
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CapelDodger said:
That's about the size of it.

I think Putin despises Western democracy, which he regards as a hypocritical sham, and is delighting in how easy - and cheap - it appears to be to screw it around.
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The mere fact that there ever was a honeymoon should be sufficient to give you all something unpleasant to think about. Follow the reasoning:

If Trump is enough of a foghat to make Putin think his election would sow the seeds of chaos in the U.S. then that makes Putin a foghat as well, because he was crazy enough to help a foghat gain control of an arsenal which could glass Putin's entire world in minutes.

Which would mean that the leaders of the two countries with the planet's largest nuclear arsenals are both foghats.

Which would mean, in turn, that the tens of millions of people who blindly follow the two foghats are also foghats.

And even if Putin is wrong and Trump is not a foghat, Putin still is a foghat, because he helped what he believes is a foghat gain control of the arsenal, much of which is aimed straight at him.

Think about that for a while. Then, if you have survivalist tendencies, you can begin construction of your bunker in a motivated state of mind.
 
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Toontown said:
The mere fact that there ever was a honeymoon should be sufficient to give you all something unpleasant to think about. Follow the reasoning:

If Trump is enough of a foghat to make Putin think his election would sow the seeds of chaos in the U.S. then that makes Putin a foghat as well, because he was crazy enough to help a foghat gain control of an arsenal which could glass Putin's entire world in minutes.

Which would mean that the leaders of the two countries with the planet's largest nuclear arsenals are both foghats.

Which would mean, in turn, that the tens of millions of people who blindly follow the two foghats are also foghats.

Think about that for a while. Then, if you have survivalist tendencies, you can begin construction of your bunker in a motivated state of mind.
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I know the band called Foghat, but I'm afraid I don't know the idiom. Am I right in thinking that a foghat is an unpredictable person?
 
dudalb said:
IMHO Putin hoped both to destabilize the US AND put somebody in the White House he could easily mainipulate into a pro Russian policy. He suceeeded in the first but failed in the second, because Putin did not cover his tracks well enough.And whether the destablisation of US politics will work as well for Russia as Putin has hoped remains to be seen.
Putin might not have been as clever as he thought he was being.
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Sounds like 9/11 Truther Talk.
 
phiwum said:
I know the band called Foghat, but I'm afraid I don't know the idiom. Am I right in thinking that a foghat is an unpredictable person?
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I couldn't find a definition for the idiom. I can only tell you that my personal definition is someone who is mentally unstable.
 
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Jules Galen said:
Sounds like 9/11 Truther Talk.
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Uh, it has pretty much been established that PUtin was playing games with the US election. What the fighting is about is how much the Trump Campaign knew about it and when did they know it.
But I have noted you seem to have become a pretty big defender of Putin.
 
dudalb said:
Uh, it has pretty much been established that PUtin was playing games with the US election. What the fighting is about is how much the Trump Campaign knew about it and when did they know it.
But I have noted you seem to have become a pretty big defender of Putin.
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No it hasn't. Not at all.
 
Toontown said:
I couldn't find a definition for the idiom. I can only tell you that my personal definition is someone who is mentally unstable.
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Ok, thanks. There must be an origin story for that band name. I don't know it, and that bugs me.
 
phiwum said:
Ok, thanks. There must be an origin story for that band name. I don't know it, and that bugs me.
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Nor do I. More accurately, I sometimes use the term for someone whose reasoning is fogged by disinformation and/or questionable ideology.
 
FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page

The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of an adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign, law enforcement and other U.S. officials said.

The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials.

This is the clearest evidence so far that the FBI had reason to believe during the 2016 presidential campaign that a Trump campaign adviser was in touch with Russian agents. Such contacts are now at the center of an investigation into whether the campaign coordinated with the Russian government to swing the election in Trump’s favor.
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Tillerson/Russian counterpart press conference: Pretty interesting.

Both gave Russia an out throwing Assad under the bus for the chemical bombs.

Russian counterpart notes that the US wasn't going after Al Nusra, that's why Russia is bombing Assad enemies the US considered allies.

Both agree fighting ISIL is a higher priority than Assad.

Russia denies the email hacks, Tillerson says the US has enough evidence.
 
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