The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

[Vixen]

I think we all naturally imagine that someone would scream if they were stabbed. But in actuality, I really doubt that it would even most of the time elicit some loud scream. You have proven again where Vixen has posted something that is demonstrably false.

The question I have is how Vixen will react? Will she say, 'my mistake, I was wrong'?

Whilst eye witnesses may have faulty memory when it comes to visual events, audio memory is much stronger (for example, someone deep in a coma can respond to an auditory stimulus, such as music of the voice of a beloved).

People do not imagine 'heartrending, harrowing' screams. They remember them deeply.

From a body language POV - which Mignini is expert in, after years of interviewing criminals and sociopaths - he noted that when Amanda mentioned the scream she reflexively covered her ears, as though reliving it.

The courts have no doubt she did hear the scream.

 

[Vixen]

Deleted.

 

[Vixen]

So many mistruths in one short post.

AK and RS were the ones who summoned everyone to the cottage on the loate morning of Nov 2. However it is refreshing that you accept a 9 pm, Nov 1 TOD. You're more narrow in this than Nencini, who was ruled as "judicially wrong" to say that ascertaining TOD was not that crucial.

But your biggest error? It was Mignini who did not allow body temperature to be taken in the early afternoon of Nov 2. From Nathaniel Rich, who interviewed Mignini:

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So - is the "perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death" claim simply another invention of yours?



LOL! Ah, er, everyone who lived there? Are you accusing Laura and Filomena now?

Mignini had to think on his feet and make a split level decision to either let the pathologist linger, or to get the crucial forensics team in.

I doubt much would have been gleaned given rigor mortis was in an advanced stage.

 

[Planigale]

So many mistruths in one short post.

AK and RS were the ones who summoned everyone to the cottage on the loate morning of Nov 2. However it is refreshing that you accept a 9 pm, Nov 1 TOD. You're more narrow in this than Nencini, who was ruled as "judicially wrong" to say that ascertaining TOD was not that crucial.

But your biggest error? It was Mignini who did not allow body temperature to be taken in the early afternoon of Nov 2. From Nathaniel Rich, who interviewed Mignini:

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So - is the "perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death" claim simply another invention of yours?



LOL! Ah, er, everyone who lived there? Are you accusing Laura and Filomena now?

Of course the decision should have been that of the forensic pathologist / medical examiner not Steffanoni.

 

[Vixen]

Of course the decision should have been that of the forensic pathologist / medical examiner not Steffanoni.

The decision was Mignini's.

 

[Planigale]

The decision was Mignini's.

So a lawyer should decide on how to investigate a crime scene?

 

[TruthCalls]

' = hours

" = minutes

No, a double prime (or double quote) is seconds. A single prime (or single quote) is for minutes.

However, the whole thing is irrelevant since it makes no difference since blood can be washed from your hands whether it's wet or dry.

I realize you thought you had some very clever 'gotcha' going here, and in your excitement you used the wrong symbol, but you should have thought it through.

 

[acbytesla]

As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death.

I wonder who could have locked Mez' door and only became 'worried' way past midday next day, and who could be the only person who knew (a) her rent was due and (b) that she had two phones.

Rudy could have locked the door and Filomena knew the rent was due as did Laura as did I'm sure the landlord. This piece of information allows no conclusions to be drawn.

 

[LondonJohn]

No, a double prime (or double quote) is seconds. A single prime (or single quote) is for minutes.

However, the whole thing is irrelevant since it makes no difference since blood can be washed from your hands whether it's wet or dry.

I realize you thought you had some very clever 'gotcha' going here, and in your excitement you used the wrong symbol, but you should have thought it through.

Indeed. And even putting such amusing scientific illiteracy to one side for a moment, one has to wonder why any individual, in an attempt to write words denoting a period of time of 30 minutes, would not write

30 minutes

or

30 mins

or even

30m

but instead elect to use the arcane (and antiquated, when it comes to units of time) construction of

30' (or 30" if one were scientifically illiterate......).

I wonder why that might happen? I think I can guess

 

[LondonJohn]

Rudy could have locked the door and Filomena knew the rent was due as did Laura as did I'm sure the landlord. This piece of information allows no conclusions to be drawn.

Yes, but Vixen is (once again) trying to insinuate that Knox and Sollecito knew Kercher to be dead from the very moment she was killed (because Vixen is also trying to insinuate that Knox and Sollecito truly were present in the cottage at the time of Kercher's murder), so (per Vixen) it's Knox and Sollecito who "delayed the body being found for >15 hours".

Paging Dr Sweepyface!!!! Come in Sweepyface!

 

[acbytesla]

How interesting acbytesla supports a vulture who peddles autopsy pictures of a murder victim and taunts the victim's family with them, not to mention Amanda & Raff themselves, yet he can work himself up into faux outrage about some post that Stacyhs and her friends slaver over and have saved since 2015.

He has no criticism of Amanda cunningly getting her kind boss locked up in jail to deflect from herself. The seriousness of this crime can be seen in the long prison sentence of three years. A sentence given to hardened criminals.

I wonder how Amanda can look the majority African-American 'exonerees' (some will be genuinely innocent, others not) in the face, at her round of Innocence Conferences and do funky chicken dances with them, whilst having maliciously pinned a murder and rape on her African Congolese boss and having him wrongfully jailed, sadly, a major reason why so many of them were wrongly convicted themselves, some even lynched.


(Cue a volley of delusional posts claiming 'it wuz the police what made her do it'. Together with a stream of profanities, no doubt.)

Give us a break.

I don't blame Amanda at all. I blame the police for how they ran their interrogation.

I also don't know what you're talking about in reference to autopsy photos. I was referring to PGP men who posted not so veiled death threats toward Amanda. One who is certifiable, the other who seems to have recovered from his insanity.

 

[Numbers]

You omitted to mention USA named by Amnesty International as SECOND only to cruel, cruel China, (where you can be executed for tax evasion and dogs rounded up for dog-eating festivals annually!!!) in Human Rights re the death penalty.

Some state in the USA I hear is having an execution-fest to clear up its Death Row backlog. It's hard to feel sorry for some of these unfortunates, I know, but please do not claim Italy is worse than the US.

Another example of a misstatement by Vixen.

I made no comparison of the human rights records of Italy and the US in my post. But Vixen apparently "sees" such a comparison. The reason that Vixen comments on a point not stated in my post is to divert the thread and mask the fact that Vixen's arguments are not supported by any of the alleged evidence that Vixen offers. Vixen's alleged evidence is absolutely without any credibility.

 

[Bill Williams]

Mignini had to think on his feet and make a split level decision to either let the pathologist linger, or to get the crucial forensics team in.

I doubt much would have been gleaned given rigor mortis was in an advanced stage.

You have carefully avoided answering whether or not.....

..... you simply invented the remark: "As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death" .....

When it was MIGNINI who delayed body temperature-testing for a further 24 hours!!!!

You are backpeddling into another invention of yours - something that not even Mignini claimed.... "Mignini had to think on his feet". Mignini holds himself solely responsible for the delay in ascertaining the time of death, and what you do with this issue is:

- display ignorance of one of the most basic elements of how the investigators booted this case
- try to shift responsibility for it to the ones who were eventually acquitted
- try to cover for Mignini in a way he never even tried to cover for himself.​

You've done all this with not one, but TWO complete fabrications.

Is it a complete fabrication from you that, "the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death"? Mignini seems to be conceding that if body temperature had been taken TOD could have been narrowed significantly.

Remember, Nencini's judicial ruling was that finding TOD was not important. This is one of the reasons why Nencini was overturned - as per the quote from Marasca-Bruno above, who called Nencini's reasoning a judicial error.

 

[acbytesla]

You omitted to mention USA named by Amnesty International as SECOND only to cruel, cruel China, (where you can be executed for tax evasion and dogs rounded up for dog-eating festivals annually!!!) in Human Rights re the death penalty.

Some state in the USA I hear is having an execution-fest to clear up its Death Row backlog. It's hard to feel sorry for some of these unfortunates, I know, but please do not claim Italy is worse than the US.

Which state is that? Also, while I have no interest in defending the US and the different states that have the death penalty, but it's nonsense to say the US is the only one of two countries with the death penalty. How about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, India, and others. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate everything?

 

[Numbers]

' = hours

" = minutes

Another misstatement from Vixen. Is it an intentional lie, a typo, or a lack of knowledge?

Here is the true general use of such symbols:

"The prime symbol (′) is commonly used to represent feet (ft), arcminutes (am), and minutes (min). However, for convenience, a (') (single quote mark) is commonly used.

The double prime (″) represents inches (in), arcseconds (as), and seconds (s). However, for convenience, a (") (double quotation mark) is commonly used."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_(symbol)

It is the continual posting of misstatements, even on such trivial matters as the common meaning of symbols, that demolishes Vixen's credibility in this debate.

 

[Bill Williams]

Another misstatement from Vixen. Is it an intentional lie, a typo, or a lack of knowledge?

Here is the true general use of such symbols:

"The prime symbol (′) is commonly used to represent feet (ft), arcminutes (am), and minutes (min). However, for convenience, a (') (single quote mark) is commonly used.

The double prime (″) represents inches (in), arcseconds (as), and seconds (s). However, for convenience, a (") (double quotation mark) is commonly used."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_(symbol)

It is the continual posting of misstatements, even on such trivial matters as the common meaning of symbols, that demolishes Vixen's credibility in this debate.

Maybe she meant it as either a hypothetical or as a figure of speech!

 

[acbytesla]

Yes, but Vixen is (once again) trying to insinuate that Knox and Sollecito knew Kercher to be dead from the very moment she was killed (because Vixen is also trying to insinuate that Knox and Sollecito truly were present in the cottage at the time of Kercher's murder), so (per Vixen) it's Knox and Sollecito who "delayed the body being found for >15 hours".

Paging Dr Sweepyface!!!! Come in Sweepyface!

Of course she is. But like almost all Vixen's comments she puts the cart before the horse. It's just a wild insinuation with no evidence and warped logic behind it.

 

[Numbers]

I keep forgetting that not everybody had a privileged education.

A rather bizarre response to a post providing actual data on drying of blood based on scientific research.

It's telling that Vixen provided no citation of references in Vixen's post on how long it takes for blood to dry; perhaps the number quoted (and the units of time were what, and the temperature and humidity were what) was the result of Vixen's own scientific research.

 

[Bill Williams]

There is considerable literature in moral philosophy about responsibility of people made to do things by external forces. Do you really believe that the Perugia police force were forced to act by a young foreign woman in jail? That somehow all autonomy was lost? Perhaps you should review the 'Nuremburg' defence.

The responsibility for detaining Diya Lumumba is that of the police. They are the experts in assessing evidence. They are the ones who obtained the statement.

Once again, look how author John Follain describes it in his book, "A Death in Italy," a book which is perhaps the one most friendly to the prosecution, and which the fake-Wiki describes as the truest account of the crime and subsequent trials.....

Follain says on one page that Mignini regarded Knox as a liar, yet on the next page says that Mignini felt obliged to arrest Lumumba, "because Amanda accused him."

Everyone just take a moment to consider what might the problem be with Follain's account; if it is all al accurate in describing Mignini's thinking process that night.

 

[Stacyhs]

What evidence of this do you have? If this is true, you can bet TJMK would have a copy of this tweet and display it prominently. Provide it.




Again, what evidence of this do you have? You have provided none.



I am not defending anyone. I am countering your accusations which are unsupported by evidence.
Accusations are easy to make but much harder to support with evidence. Frankly, you make false accusations all the time as we have seen on ISF.




That has nothing to do with this particular alleged incident.



I am not sure why you inferred that. I don't think you have any control over him. I doubt Rhodes has much control over himself.

As for the "For the Press" attachment, exactly where does this come from? TJMK? If so, it has zero credibility for accuracy.

No, it comes from here (scroll down the page to 15 Oct 2016):

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

I will not be attaching copies from the tv show which Papa Raff presented as 'entertainment' directly from the court files, and which your friend salaciously misused in a malicious campaign against the victim's family.

You have still failed to provide any evidence of your claims that:

1)

Vixen;11786645]You are quite wrong. Duncan offered a selection of nude autopsy photos from a sock account, having previously been BANNED from twitter.

2)

The pictures did not come from Frank Sfarzo, they came from a defense released (namely Papa Raff) bundle and sold/given to a Bari TV station.

The "news item" comes from TMofMK but provides no evidence of WHY Duncan was banned. Their unverified claims are as credible as TJMK's unverified claims...i.e. not at all.

I will not be attaching copies from the tv show which Papa Raff presented as 'entertainment' directly from the court files, and which your friend salaciously misused in a malicious campaign against the victim's family

There is so much wrong with the above sentence that it's bound to become a Vixen classic.
I'll repeat, the autopsy photos are part of the court record and are not "private" as you falsely claim.