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LDS II: The Mormons

whut-the-heck? How many topics do y'all want me to take on at once? Pick one and get back to me.

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In which the absurdity of taking the BoM literally is highlighted

Billy Baxter said:
Most LDS apologists nowadays believe it was a limited area in mesoamerica IIRC, while some believe it was all of the Americas. I don't think anyone knows for sure. I believe that it was the former but am not sure.
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Yes, a small, limited area nobody has found yet. :thumbsup:

A people who supposedly had domesticated horses and chariots in a massive, largely uninhabited land, chose to remain in a tiny, limited area, despite warring tribes doing their best to kill them. That area was so limited that today, in 2017, we have YET to find evidence of the horses, steelmaking and all the other anachronisms described in the Book of Mormon. There's also no evidence of a culture that was making use of any of these things.

And as an extra bonus, NONE of the animals or plants spread on their own, deciding instead to patiently stay in this same limited area and go extinct until their distant relatives could be brought over from Europe a few thousand years later.

We are expected to believe that the descendants of Nephi chose to stay and fight for a still unfound tiny sliver of a tiny corner of the Americas, rather than just MOVE a couple hundred miles, all so today, there would be NO evidence of their existence left on the land.

Do you have ANY idea how absurd, desperate and pathetic an argument that is?
 
Billy Baxter said:
whut-the-heck? How many topics do y'all want me to take on at once? Pick one and get back to me.

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You pick one.

Pick something you think you can defend adequately by the standards of evidence you deem sufficient. The scattershot range of categories you see now are the result of people trying to see what you'll respond to. You're the current star of the thread. Right now people are running everything up the flagpole to see if you salute.

Pick a topic.
 
halleyscomet said:
Yes, a small, limited area nobody has found yet. :thumbsup:

A people who supposedly had domesticated horses and chariots in a massive, largely uninhabited land, chose to remain in a tiny, limited area, despite warring tribes doing their best to kill them. That area was so limited that today, in 2017, we have YET to find evidence of the horses, steelmaking and all the other anachronisms described in the Book of Mormon. There's also no evidence of a culture that was making use of any of these things.

And as an extra bonus, NONE of the animals or plants spread on their own, deciding instead to patiently stay in this same limited area and go extinct until their distant relatives could be brought over from Europe a few thousand years later.

We are expected to believe that the descendants of Nephi chose to stay and fight for a still unfound tiny sliver of a tiny corner of the Americas, rather than just MOVE a couple hundred miles, all so today, there would be NO evidence of their existence left on the land.

Do you have ANY idea how absurd, desperate and pathetic an argument that is?
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I believe in Christ. That's all I need to know, and the BOM teaches about him abundantly. I don't care about how many horses can dance on the head of a Nephite pin (yes SV).

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Billy Baxter said:
whut-the-heck? How many topics do y'all want me to take on at once? Pick one and get back to me.

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My Dear Mr. Baxter:

How odd, that, taking the pose of being set-upon on all sides, you waste two posts complaining about how many subjects in the BoM there are, for which reality offers no support. Instead of whingeing, why not select such an area or topic, and defend it with concrete, objective, non-anecdotal, testable information?

I remain, helpfully yours &ct.
 
Billy Baxter said:
I believe in Christ. That's all I need to know, and the BOM teaches about him abundantly. I don't care about how many horses can dance on the head of a Nephite pin (yes SV).

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My Dear Mr. Baxter:

Was this to be supposed to be more of your "humor"? If so, it sinned, somewhat (seminarians will get that...).

Do stay focused upon the idea that this thread is for evidence, not apologetics. Feel free to address any of the glaring errors in the BoM, shoring them up with substantialities.

I remain, unapologetically yours &ct.
 
Billy Baxter said:
I believe in Christ. That's all I need to know, and the BOM teaches about him abundantly. I don't care about how many horses can dance on the head of a Nephite pin (yes SV).

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The Book of Mormon makes allegations of fact that the LDS church promotes as true. These are interwoven with the Book of Mormon's religious message which, with the same voice, the LDS promotes as the inerrant word of God. Can you understand how some people are reluctant to separate those claims?
 
halleyscomet said:
Yes, a small, limited area nobody has found yet. :thumbsup:

A people who supposedly had domesticated horses and chariots in a massive, largely uninhabited land, chose to remain in a tiny, limited area, despite warring tribes doing their best to kill them. That area was so limited that today, in 2017, we have YET to find evidence of the horses, steelmaking and all the other anachronisms described in the Book of Mormon. There's also no evidence of a culture that was making use of any of these things.

And as an extra bonus, NONE of the animals or plants spread on their own, deciding instead to patiently stay in this same limited area and go extinct until their distant relatives could be brought over from Europe a few thousand years later.

We are expected to believe that the descendants of Nephi chose to stay and fight for a still unfound tiny sliver of a tiny corner of the Americas, rather than just MOVE a couple hundred miles, all so today, there would be NO evidence of their existence left on the land.

Do you have ANY idea how absurd, desperate and pathetic an argument that is?
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What? Haven't you heard of Shangri-La?
 
Billy Baxter said:
I believe in Christ. That's all I need to know, and the BOM teaches about him abundantly. I don't care about how many horses can dance on the head of a Nephite pin (yes SV).

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Do you consider the Book of Mormon to be a literal history or a religious metaphor/allegory?

If you consider the book a literal history, then your refusal to confront the problems with its historical claims are not just cowardly, but spiritually dangerous. If the book is historically wrong, then its theology is in question as well. If the history is wrong then it is a book of lies, and you are being lead by Satan, not God.

If you do not consider it a literal history, then there really isn't much for us to discuss. Talk about the accuracy of its historical claims are irrelevant if the only Mormon in the thread doesn't believe the book of Mormon should be taken as literal history anyway.
 
Billy Baxter said:
ho hum, I've heard it all before.

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Then why are you in this thread?

You appear to be bragging about how you refuse to examine your holy book critically because it has sufficient levels of "truthiness" to make you feel all warm and cuddly inside

If you're that terrified of critical analysis of your preferred mythology, why are you even on this forum?
 
Billy Baxter said:
I believe in Christ. That's all I need to know, and the BOM teaches about him abundantly. I don't care about how many horses can dance on the head of a Nephite pin (yes SV).

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It's clear from the BoM's many historical inaccuracies that it's a work of fiction. That's not something that should inspire someone looking for spiritual guidance even if they believe in Christ.
 
Marcus said:
It's clear from the BoM's many historical inaccuracies that it's a work of fiction. That's not something that should inspire someone looking for spiritual guidance even if they believe in Christ.
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It's not its nature as a work of fiction that I think is damning. "Pilgrims Progress" and the parables of Jesus are obvious fiction, but they are fictions told as allegory. A fiction can carry religious meaning.

The thing that damns the Book of Mormon is that it claims to be historically accurate when it quite obviously is not.
 
halleyscomet said:
Then why are you in this thread?

You appear to be bragging about how you refuse to examine your holy book critically because it has sufficient levels of "truthiness" to make you feel all warm and cuddly inside

If you're that terrified of critical analysis of your preferred mythology, why are you even on this forum?
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Craig4 invited me.

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