Getaway driver arrested for murder.

Vixen said:
Ranb said:
Vixen said:
It sad that Americans live in such a dangerous country they cheer when criminals are shot...
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This doesn't happen in the UK?
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No, it doesn't happen in the UK.
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Vixen, you must lead a very sheltered life, where you read no newspapers, watch any television or listen to any radio, if you believe this to be a true representation of the opinion on the subject in the UK.

To state this misrepresentation so emphatically in order to support your personal opinion on the subject is less than commendable.
I have little doubt that the majority of Brits felt vindicated after the police shot Khalid Masood.
 
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Jules Galen said:
Could have been once the situation got out of control. But I would like to know what led up to this situation.

Did there people know each other? I bet they did....and I bet there's a whole-nuther story we have not been told.
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They could have all been involved in an orgy the night before and the homeowner asked them to return to do some knife-wielding burglar roleplay.

Maybe someone would like to play the "could" game with you - betting and all. That's not me, though. I'll stick with my current opinion until further evidence surfaces that materially changes the available information.
 
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This discussion has entered the realm of the surreal. People are actually arguing over the definition of easily understood words like "armed" and "weapon". Knives and knuckle-dusters are no longer considered weapons by some. What foolishness. Some people just want to disagree to be different, I guess.
 
Sir Robin Goodfellow said:
This discussion has entered the realm of the surreal. People are actually arguing over the definition of easily understood words like "armed" and "weapon". Knives and knuckle-dusters are no longer considered weapons by some. What foolishness. Some people just want to disagree to be different, I guess.
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And just to pin it to the wall,

2014 Oklahoma Statutes
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
§21-1431. Burglary in first degree.

Universal Citation: 21 OK Stat § 21-1431 (2014)
Every person who breaks into and enters the dwelling house of another, in which there is at the time some human being, with intent to commit some crime therein, either:

1. By forcibly bursting or breaking the wall, or an outer door, window, or shutter of a window of such house or the lock or bolts of such door, or the fastening of such window or shutter; or

2. By breaking in any other manner, being armed with a dangerous weapon or being assisted or aided by one or more confederates then actually present; or

3. By unlocking an outer door by means of false keys or by picking the lock thereof, or by lifting a latch or opening a window, is guilty of burglary in the first degree.

R.L.1910, § 2611. Amended by Laws 1979, c. 43, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 1979.​
Try as you might, you'll not get a firm definition of "dangerous weapon" in OK, leaving it up to the court to decide by the looks of it.
All the legal links I can find seem to agree that both knives and brass knuckles will be regarded as dangerous/offensive (it seems to be interchangeable) weapons.

ETA. OK Unlawful Carry law defines both knives and brass knuckles as offensive weapons.
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry...
any dagger, bowie knife, dirk knife, switchblade knife, sword cane, knife having a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in the handle of the knife, blackjack, loaded cane, billy, hand chain, metal knuckles, or any other offensive weapon, whether such weapon be concealed or unconcealed,​

HTH
 
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From my link in post 353:
Different states use different standards for what is required regarding the use of a deadly weapon. Some only require the use of a weapon, which is any object that could potentially harm another. Other states says it is any object that is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury, even if there is no actual injury inflicted. There are no limitations on what object can potentially be considered a weapon under either standard. Weapons include: knives, bb guns, lead pipes, broken bottles, pieces of glass.
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It's clear that knives and brass knuckles can be considered deadly weapons.
 
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bytewizard said:
Oh, I think I now understand. These 3 teens got lost on their way to the mountains for a skiing trip; accidentally trespassed while breaking a window to ask the homeowner for directions, and the homeowner felt free to shoot them dead for no reason at all.
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Finally, someone gets it!:thumbsup:
 
Resume said:
So what? Jack the Ripper did just fine with a knife.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Assault-Deadly-Weapon.htm


http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/violent_crimes/armed-robbery.htm
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Jack the Ripper broke into people's homes?

No, he tramped the streets trawling for prostitutes in the East End.

So a complete non sequitur.

Of course the UK has criminals and murderers. It is vanishingly rare for a homeowner to have to shoot dead intruders.
 
EHocking said:
Vixen, you must lead a very sheltered life, where you read no newspapers, watch any television or listen to any radio, if you believe this to be a true representation of the opinion on the subject in the UK.

To state this misrepresentation so emphatically in order to support your personal opinion on the subject is less than commendable.
I have little doubt that the majority of Brits felt vindicated after the police shot Khalid Masood.
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That's to change the subject. The Westminster atrocity was neither a robbery or a breaking and entry nor a stand your ground. He was shot by armed police trained to apprehend terrorists committed to violating security measures.
 
EHocking said:
And just to pin it to the wall,

2014 Oklahoma Statutes
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
§21-1431. Burglary in first degree.

Universal Citation: 21 OK Stat § 21-1431 (2014)
Every person who breaks into and enters the dwelling house of another, in which there is at the time some human being, with intent to commit some crime therein, either:

1. By forcibly bursting or breaking the wall, or an outer door, window, or shutter of a window of such house or the lock or bolts of such door, or the fastening of such window or shutter; or

2. By breaking in any other manner, being armed with a dangerous weapon or being assisted or aided by one or more confederates then actually present; or

3. By unlocking an outer door by means of false keys or by picking the lock thereof, or by lifting a latch or opening a window, is guilty of burglary in the first degree.

R.L.1910, § 2611. Amended by Laws 1979, c. 43, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 1979.​
Try as you might, you'll not get a firm definition of "dangerous weapon" in OK, leaving it up to the court to decide by the looks of it.
All the legal links I can find seem to agree that both knives and brass knuckles will be regarded as dangerous/offensive (it seems to be interchangeable) weapons.

ETA. OK Unlawful Carry law defines both knives and brass knuckles as offensive weapons.
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry...
any dagger, bowie knife, dirk knife, switchblade knife, sword cane, knife having a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in the handle of the knife, blackjack, loaded cane, billy, hand chain, metal knuckles, or any other offensive weapon, whether such weapon be concealed or unconcealed,​

HTH
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I was actually on jury service in respect of some young thug charged with carrying an offensive weapon and using it. He had a bag filled with a large number of coins (- a cosh) and a retractable baton. He smashed some guy over the head with it when the guy accidentally split some orange juice over the thug's girlfriend when she shouldered him out of the way on a train platform. This coshed guy was selling some kind of publication.

The thug was found guilty of carrying the offensive weapon about his person in a public place, (= as directed by the judge) but cleared of assault. Juries are notoriously sympathetic towards defendants.

People just wanted to get home early.
 
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Ethan Ellison, a friend of Rodriguez's and the three teenagers, told ABC News that they spoke right after the trio was shot.

"She called me right after it was done. She called me and she was freaking out. And then she told me that the three boys got shot. ... I was like, 'What? What are you talking about? What do you mean?'" he said.

"She said that they thought that the house was empty. ... All she knows, is she heard over 12 gun shots so she freaked out and left," Ellison said.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/resident-killing-teen-burglars-alleged-getaway-driver/story?id=46475044
 
fuelair said:
No, though it might in GB..... Armed means carrying anything that might be used as a weapon and is clearly dangerous. A screwdriver is quite effective for murdering/harming badly a person, so are coshes, so are razor blades. Stuffed bunnies, not so much.
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Depending, of course, on what they are stuffed with!!!!!!!:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:thumbsup:
 
Vixen said:
Jack the Ripper broke into people's homes?

No, he tramped the streets trawling for prostitutes in the East End.

So a complete non sequitur.

Of course the UK has criminals and murderers. It is vanishingly rare for a homeowner to have to shoot dead intruders.
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Non sequitur? I was replying to your claim that carrying a knife was not going "armed" with a deadly weapon, which it is, as demonstrated in post 353, and others.
 
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