Getaway driver arrested for murder.

Vixen said:
Here in the UK we had this guy who hatched a wicked plan to take revenge on burglars. He built a trap on the stairs , lay in wait, and when expected perp turned up, he sprung the trap and topped them.

Thankfully, he received British justice.
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That has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about ... but FYI?

Spring guns and traps of this bent have been illegal in the US since 1825 ... two YEARS, before they were made illegal in the UK

Next?
 
I am pretty liberal and don't really like guns.

But if three armed men wearing ski masks broke into my house, I would *********** shoot them if I had a gun. I don't fault the homeowner here one bit and no way would I convict him if the DA charged him with a crime (unless there is more to the story).

Boo hoo, they died. It is their fault. Maybe don't break into houses. Or at least be smart enough to be sure nobody is home before you do.

The homeowner actually showed some concern for these people's lives, it seems. He was telling the 911 operator to make sure EMS got there because he thought one of them got shot bad. So he didn't even want them to die. He was just trying to protect himself.
 
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Giz said:
"Trespass"?

They weren't on his front lawn. They broke into his house while armed. That's rather more threatening than mere trespass.
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Agreed! petty trespass is a summary conviction, usually resulting in a small fine here (usually only issued after multiple infractions as well) .......

breaking into a home? ... that's nothing similar.
 
Vixen said:
The three burglar teens are the authors of their own mishap. However, we can't have people feeling they are free to shoot dead anyone who happens to trespass on their property. That is a terrible precedent. What on earth do you have there: the old Wild West...?
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Oh, I think I now understand. These 3 teens got lost on their way to the mountains for a skiing trip; accidentally trespassed while breaking a window to ask the homeowner for directions, and the homeowner felt free to shoot them dead for no reason at all.
 
Giz said:
I thought you were worried about "young lives being ruined"? Why do you want to ruin this guy's life?
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Where did I say that? I do believe the law should apply to everybody equally. The idea that if you are rich you can gun down some poor kid whose ambition in life is to steal a case of beer, is not equitable.

It is a War Crime to simply shoot dead captured prisoners in a war, they should be brought to a proper trial, with correct legal protocols applied.

If it was genuine self-defence, and proportional, that's fine. However, I can't help thinking there may have been an element of schadenfreude, given he shot them as he was coming down the stairs. May have been revenge for the booze stolen from the garage earlier.
 
Vixen said:
May have been revenge for the booze stolen from the garage earlier.
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They broke in, twice, the second time armed and masked. How would the victim possibly know their intentions? This isn't a police drama, but real life, and I can tell you from experience, it only takes a split second for things to go very bad.
 
Vixen said:
Where did I say that? I do believe the law should apply to everybody equally. The idea that if you are rich you can gun down some poor kid whose ambition in life is to steal a case of beer, is not equitable.
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If you're some poor kid whose ambition in life is to steal some beer, maybe walk into a convenience store and run out with it instead of breaking into someone's house while armed and wearing a ski mask.

It is a War Crime to simply shoot dead captured prisoners in a war, they should be brought to a proper trial, with correct legal protocols applied.
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However, it is not a war crime to just kill people that pose a threat to you in in a war.

If it was genuine self-defence, and proportional, that's fine. However, I can't help thinking there may have been an element of schadenfreude, given he shot them as he was coming down the stairs. May have been revenge for the booze stolen from the garage earlier.
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Did you listen to the 911 tape. He expressed concern for their lives by asking the operator to make sure EMS got there.
 
Resume said:
They broke in, twice, the second time armed and masked. How would the victim possibly know their intentions? This isn't a police drama, but real life, and I can tell you from experience, it only takes a split second for things to go very bad.
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Armed usually means with a loaded gun. None of the three had a gun. That tells you they were not there to kill. The ski masks were likely donned to stop ID on area CCTV camera.

I agree it can take a split second, that is why the law needs to be very clear on this. I am sure we can all think of an occasion when we could have happily caused someone a painful injury, and thank goodness you didn't.
 
Tony Stark said:
If you're some poor kid whose ambition in life is to steal some beer, maybe walk into a convenience store and run out with it instead of breaking into someone's house while armed and wearing a ski mask.



However, it is not a war crime to just kill people that pose a threat to you in in a war.



Did you listen to the 911 tape. He expressed concern for their lives by asking the operator to make sure EMS got there.
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Yes, he sounds like a nice guy. However, the law has to be objective. It shouldn't depend on whether you are perceived as nice, or not.
 
Vixen said:
Armed usually means with a loaded gun. None of the three had a gun. That tells you they were not there to kill. The ski masks were likely donned to stop ID on area CCTV camera.
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You have to be joking. A knife is going armed. From experience, I can tell you it is a deadly weapon. Brass knuckles are illegal for a reason.

I agree it can take a split second, that is why the law needs to be very clear on this. I am sure we can all think of an occasion when we could have happily caused someone a painful injury, and thank goodness you didn't.
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I can think of an occasion (more than one) where I would happily have caused an injury and would be thankful I did.
 
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mgidm86 said:
Complete 100% hogwash.

Does this 79 year-old man look like a drug dealer to you? His house has been broken into 13 times since June and he finally shot the violent criminal, and took a bullet himself.

Alabama man kills home invader: 'I hate that boy dead, but I don't hate I shot him'
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/3...ate-that-boy-dead-but-dont-hate-shot-him.html



Sound familiar?



Only drug dealers are victims of home invasions - got it.
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FOr once we agree...Jules's statement is 100% B.S.
 
Vixen said:
Armed usually means with a loaded gun. None of the three had a gun. That tells you they were not there to kill. The ski masks were likely donned to stop ID on area CCTV camera.

I agree it can take a split second, that is why the law needs to be very clear on this. I am sure we can all think of an occasion when we could have happily caused someone a painful injury, and thank goodness you didn't.
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If you want to bet your life that three armed men wearing masks who broke into your home won't hurt you, go right ahead.

Many people won't do the same. And the law will correctly protect them.
 
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Vixen said:
Yes, he sounds like a nice guy. However, the law has to be objective. It shouldn't depend on whether you are perceived as nice, or not.
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And objectively, he broke no law by killing these people. Unless there is way more to the story.
 
fuelair said:
I like the trench knife for that - handle is hard metal knuckle duster and the blade cuts nicely - great for close in fighting. Though there is a lovely device that has a short but heart-reaching blade that goes on the hand. You just turn palm down as you strike with it and the blade goes right in. Amazing how many customers did not realize immediately why you needed to do that. I also recommend Gerber Mark 1 and 11s except after they started being made in China (idiot move). All mine are US.
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Then there is the classic KaBar knife...popular among Marines in World War 2.
 
Once, these two scumbags robbed me of my cellphone. It was a Galaxy Note 2. Brand new. They came up to me and told me to give it to them. I tried to run. They tackled me to the ground and took it from me. One of them threw a rock at my head. I had to get some staples, but besides that wasn't really hurt. They were never caught.

I would have killed them if I could have and not really felt bad about it.
 
I find it very troubling that somebody seems to have a lot more compassion for the criminals then for the victims in this case.
 
Tony Stark said:
Once, these two scumbags robbed me of my cellphone. It was a Galaxy Note 2. Brand new. They came up to me and told me to give it to them. I tried to run. They tackled me to the ground and took it from me. One of them threw a rock at my head. I had to get some staples, but besides that wasn't really hurt. They were never caught.

I would have killed them if I could have and not really felt bad about it.
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It only takes one experience with violent crime, how easily and quickly it all goes bad, to change your perspective.
 
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