Did Jon-Benet Ramsay's brother kill her?

How on earth Kolar ever became a lead detective in the JonBenet Ramsey case I will never know. Kolar seems to have infiltrated himself Into the Boulder DA's office in 2005, and he is now involved in a media blitz, and FBI media campaign, and fake CBS news to persuade everybody that the innocent Burke Ramsey did it, instead of the innocent Patsy Ramsey as it always used to be. The Boulder Daily Camera is about the only media outlet that does accurate newspaper reports on the Ramsey case. It's bad police work.

There is a bit about this matter in the former Boulder cop Robert Whitson Injustice book published in 2012:

The Boulder Police Department has consistently failed to share relevant information about the intruder theory with other law enforcement agencies, criminal justice consultants, and the public. Mark Beckner failed to present information about the intruder theory to the team of experts in 2009? Why? Anyone who disagreed with the prevailing theory that Patsy murdered JonBenet was ordered to be quiet and ostracized from the investigation. Why? According to Attorney Lin Wood, the Boulder Police Department used the news media to falsely accuse John and Patsy Ramsey of murdering JonBenet. According to Lou Smit, and based on my personal involvement with the case, the Boulder Police Department failed to conduct interviews with possible suspects or test relevant evidence.Why?

As I finish this book in June 2012, it has been over three years since JonBenet's case has been returned to the Boulder Police Department. The case remains unsolved.
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I had a thought on motivation based on the assumption that Burke Ramsey did it (even though I'm not particularly inclined to believe that scenario).

Perhaps, the motivation for the ransom note and the garrote was to convince Burke that he was not responsible for killing Jon Benet. This is assuming that Burke, for whatever reason, inflicted the head injury on Jon Benet, and that The Ramseys, or perhaps just Patsy, believed Jon Benet to be dead, then wrote the note and put the garrote on Jon Benet's neck with the primary motivation being to spare Burke from guilt over killing his sister. I don't think I've seen this particular motivation suggested before.
 
CORed said:
I had a thought on motivation based on the assumption that Burke Ramsey did it (even though I'm not particularly inclined to believe that scenario).

Perhaps, the motivation for the ransom note and the garrote was to convince Burke that he was not responsible for killing Jon Benet. This is assuming that Burke, for whatever reason, inflicted the head injury on Jon Benet, and that The Ramseys, or perhaps just Patsy, believed Jon Benet to be dead, then wrote the note and put the garrote on Jon Benet's neck with the primary motivation being to spare Burke from guilt over killing his sister. I don't think I've seen this particular motivation suggested before.
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You need to work out exactly what happened, and come up with a credible number one suspect like Fleet White, not just make up another theory without facts blaming the innocent Burke Ramsey. You follow the evidence, not just your guesswork and 'perhaps' and maybe theories.
 
Henri McPhee said:
You need to work out exactly what happened, and come up with a credible number one suspect like the presumed innocent Fleet White, not just make up another theory without facts blaming the presumed innocent Burke Ramsey. You follow the evidence, not just your guesswork and 'perhaps' and maybe theories.
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Fixed that for you.............
 
Henri McPhee said:
You need to work out exactly what happened, and come up with a credible number one suspect like Fleet White, not just make up another theory without facts blaming the innocent Burke Ramsey. You follow the evidence, not just your guesswork and 'perhaps' and maybe theories.
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Actually, I don't need to do that at all. Given that the Boulder Police screwed up the initial investigation so badly that there is not, and probably never will be enough information to definitively determine who did it, I am willing to say I don't know who did it, and speculate on possible motivations for the things that really don't make sense for either a family member did it scenario or an intruder scenario -- the ransom note and the garotte.

If it makes you feel better to pick Fleet White as the prime suspect, I guess that's ok, bur IMO you are fooling yourself if you think the evidence is any where close to definitive.

I happen to think that it was most likely one of Jon Benet's parents that did it, but I can't rule out her bother, an intruder or Fleet White.
 
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All anyone has at this point is guesswork and speculation. So I think we will all have to settle for that.

The only person or persons with more than that are the one(s) who killed JonBenet, and there's no way to tell who they might be at this point in time.

There are several points about this case which each have several possible explanations, and it looks like that will always be the case.

Other than the guilty parties, there is only guesswork for this crime, largely due to the mishandling of the crime scene from day one.

And that cannot be reversed.

It doesn't even appear that there is any available DNA that can solve the case.
 
LTC8K6 said:
All anyone has at this point is guesswork and speculation. So I think we will all have to settle for that.

The only person or persons with more than that are the one(s) who killed JonBenet, and there's no way to tell who they might be at this point in time.

There are several points about this case which each have several possible explanations, and it looks like that will always be the case.

Other than the guilty parties, there is only guesswork for this crime, largely due to the mishandling of the crime scene from day one.

And that cannot be reversed.

It doesn't even appear that there is any available DNA that can solve the case.
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I don't see this case ever being solved, unless the guilty party confesses at some point, or, after being investigated for some other crime, is found to possess photographs of Jon Benet's body (or some other evidence linking him to the crime). Neither of these seem at all likely to happen.
 
CORed said:
I don't see this case ever being solved, unless the guilty party confesses at some point, or, after being investigated for some other crime, is found to possess photographs of Jon Benet's body (or some other evidence linking him to the crime). Neither of these seem at all likely to happen.
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Given the handling of the crime scene, it's going to have to be some very solid evidence. It's going to have to be airtight on it's own, I think.

It's going to have to be something that is explainable only by being present during the murder.

Pics as you said, or maybe having something belonging to JonBenet. Keeping a souvenir is supposedly common.
 
Y chromosomal profiling

I would swab the fingernails (and maybe anything else) one more time, and use YSTR DNA profiling. It is often very sensitive, and female DNA would not interfere. However Y chromosomal DNA is not as discriminating as standard autosomal profiling.
 
There is something not quite right about that Topix JonBenet Ramsey forum. I left that forum in 2012 because I found my postings were vanishing for no good reason. I started posting there again about last October and successfully made several postings, but I am now finding that all my postings are vanishing again.

I half -suspect that they just want posters who debate whether Patsy, John, or Burke did it, and that Fleet White is off limits. Something happened at the Topix management in 2012. There was something like all the voluntary journalists resigned. It could be that it is now controlled by something like Lockheed Martin, or the Denver Post, or CBS, or Stan Garnett and Kolar at the Boulder DA's Office, or the FBI media campaign.

There was an interesting recent posting on Topix by a newbie which did not vanish:

Thursday Mar 16
This is from Perfect Murder, Perfect Town:: When John brought JonBenet's body up from the basement, "Arndt ordered Fleet White to guard the door to the basement and not let anyone in." (p. 15). On the next page: "Moments after Det. Arndt moved JonBenet's body, Fleet White decided to go back downstairs to the wine cellar...." WHAT?? He was just ordered not to let anyone go in the basement, so he goes himself?!

Then -- he looks around the room, and sees the piece of black duct tape. "He picked up the tape, which felt sticky, and then placed it back on the blanket for police." Again, What??!! A child has just been murdered in that basement, but he trots back down, against police orders, without even wondering if a madman might still be lurking there. He nonchalantly touches crucial evidence.

Is he the perpetrator, an accomplice, a loyal friend trying to protect the Ramseys, a wanna-be detective, a bumbling idiot, or a combination of the above? I admittedly don't know much about Fleet, so I just wondered what the prevailing thought is about him.
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This is a recent posting I made on Topix forum which then promptly vanished:

Randy Simons was found once by the police after the JonBenet murder walking naked along a road and mumbling that he didn't know anything about the JonBenet murder and that he didn't do it. I think he was then taken to a mental hospital. I don't know if his alibi was ever really checked out. Frankly, I doubt it. Rather surprisingly to me, Lou Smit, who was a wise old detective, never really seemed interested in Randy Simons. Jameson just knows Fleet White is innocent. I am not sure about that.

It would be interesting if any Randy Simons photos of the JonBenet murder, or of JonBenet, ever surfaced now. I think Randy Simons was told to keep his mouth shut, or else, by Fleet and Priscilla, and others. If you follow the evidence it points to Fleet and Priscilla. That's what Detective Steve Ainsworth thought in the initial investigation, before he was taken off of the case.
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I honestly think there is censorship on that JonBenet Topix forum, and it's not just me who is being blocked. This is a posting by Lynette 22 from South Africa, who was a Fleet did it poster, in October 2011 and who no longer posts on Topix:

Hi Deb. Can you see my posts on the JBR forum. They're on my screen but I don't see them on the front page. I think they're being blocked.
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Henri McPhee said:
There is something not quite right about that Topix JonBenet Ramsey forum. I left that forum in 2012 because I found my postings were vanishing for no good reason. I started posting there again about last October and successfully made several postings, but I am now finding that all my postings are vanishing again.

I half -suspect that they just want posters who debate whether Patsy, John, or Burke did it, and that Fleet White is off limits. Something happened at the Topix management in 2012. There was something like all the voluntary journalists resigned. It could be that it is now controlled by something like Lockheed Martin, or the Denver Post, or CBS, or Stan Garnett and Kolar at the Boulder DA's Office, or the FBI media campaign.

There was an interesting recent posting on Topix by a newbie which did not vanish:
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I'm willing to bet that the nice folks at Topix simply got tired of posting the same nonsense over and over and over...wash, rinse, repeat.

Most moderated forums actually take that action at a certain point.
 
I still think Fleet White is a legitimate lead and suspect in the JonBenet case. Fleet seems to be protected, even by internet forums, and he seemed to be off limits even to the wise old detective, Lou Smit. It could be that Fleet is involved in the child sex rings in high places that exist in America, and even in the UK. It was bad police work by the Boulder Police Department and by the FBI, and very unfair on the innocent Ramseys who have had their dirty laundry constantly discussed on the internet.
 
Henri McPhee said:
I still think Fleet White is a legitimate lead and suspect in the JonBenet case. Fleet seems to be protected, even by internet forums, and he seemed to be off limits even to the wise old detective, Lou Smit. It could be that Fleet is involved in the child sex rings in high places that exist in America, and even in the UK. It was bad police work by the Boulder Police Department and by the FBI, and very unfair on the innocent Ramseys who have had their dirty laundry constantly discussed on the internet.
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You must be as lonely as the Maytag repair man.

What does your alternative handle wudge have to say about it?
 
This is some of what I posted about Fleet White in 2006. I still stand by it. Fleet White was never properly or thoroughly investigated, even by Lou Smit:

This is an interesting old JonBenet forum posting by a poster called Lake. I'm interested in what he wrote because he was a bit of a 'Fleet did it' poster:

"Nancy Krebs has photographic evidence of a connection between her family and that of Fleet White Sr and Jr. It would not be unreasonable to suspect that the mother of Nancy is a pimp for people with money who have some pretty weird preferences with children. I would say that more evidence could be produced that the mother of Nancy is a pimp for child sexual molesters than can be produced that either Patsy or John Ramsey has ever molested any child."

"You assume the motives of Fleet White were innocent. I find a lot to suspect about Fleet White. And I would not buy a used car from the man or take his word for anything about the case."

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This is an interesting quote from Jeff Shapiro who was a boy journalist at the Globe tabloid.

Shapiro was anti-Ramsey to start off with, then changed his mind about the Ramsey case and now seems to have changed his mind again. That's the sort of person I would describe as lacking in general reliability:

"I also gave a copy of the article to Alex and told him that I'd seen Fleet White

"Don't you find it strange that this guy is so ****in' angry?" Hunter asked. Then he started explaining how John and Fleet got into this big argument in Atlanta - "Lots of words spoken, and they really haven't talked much since," Hunter said. None of that information was public at the time.

"As a prosecutor, it would be irresponsible for me not to look in other places, wouldn't it? Hunter seemed to be thinking aloud. "I want to know who this guy Fleet White is. I want to know about his life in Newport Beach, California, before he moved here. I'm just interested - that's all I'm saying."

I felt like some young Washington aide getting orders from his senator. The biggest case in the country, and Hunter is asking me for help. It boosted my ego."
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internet haters

Recently an anonymous commenter elsewhere wrote, "cancer is a terrible death, and rarely would I ever say someone deserved to die from it. in the case of Patsy Ramsey, her non stop lies, her bull about an "intruder" show clearly that either she was involved in the murder of JonBenet or she covered up for the one responsible. cancer has taken the murderer of JonBenet, all it did was save the executioner a job. and she thoroughly deserved her fate."

I am putting this comment into the thread to serve as an example of what people who are suspected of a crime experience. If there were insuperable evidence against Patsy, she would have been charged and convicted, but there simply was not. To the degree that people think the same things about Burke Ramsey because of the CBS program last September, that program did this case a disservice.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Recently an anonymous commenter elsewhere wrote, "cancer is a terrible death, and rarely would I ever say someone deserved to die from it. in the case of Patsy Ramsey, her non stop lies, her bull about an "intruder" show clearly that either she was involved in the murder of JonBenet or she covered up for the one responsible. cancer has taken the murderer of JonBenet, all it did was save the executioner a job. and she thoroughly deserved her fate."

I am putting this comment into the thread to serve as an example of what people who are suspected of a crime experience. If there were insuperable evidence against Patsy, she would have been charged and convicted, but there simply was not. To the degree that people think the same things about Burke Ramsey because of the CBS program last September, that program did this case a disservice.
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This whole idea of one getting cancer because of lies (or past acts or abuse, etc.) is deliverance ministry BS. Though this commenter does not explicitly link it as cause and effect, there is a hint of it in the comment. This is revealing of the type of person who authored it and their loose grasp of reality.

What I find ironic is that the same social media that hurts the wrongly accused by rampantly spreading words and thoughts can also save them in the same manner.
 
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