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Cont: President Trump: Part 3

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What an imbecile.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/2...inion&referer=

Is it more frightening that he may not not be lying when he says things that are wildly untrue?


an unidentified lying object in the White House.


I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't get why anyone would trust this Lying Turd. Somebody please explain to me why they do? My father use to beat the crap out of me if I lied to him. Any punishment I might receive was 10 times worse if I lied. In his view a man's integrity was his most valuable possession. Something tells me Trump got a way with lying his whole life.
 
I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't get why anyone would trust this Lying Turd. Somebody please explain to me why they do? My father use to beat the crap out of me if I lied to him. Any punishment I might receive was 10 times worse if I lied. In his view a man's integrity was his most valuable possession. Something tells me Trump got a way with lying his whole life.


Here's someone who contends that "blue lies" -- believing them and telling them -- is a kind of groupthink that establishes bonds among members.
But there is another explanation that no one seems to have entertained. It is that Trump is telling “blue” lies — a psychologist’s term for falsehoods, told on behalf of a group, that can actually strengthen the bonds among the members of that group.
https://www.salon.com/2017/03/27/th...orters-embrace-his-alternative-facts_partner/
 
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Just another example that points why Trump is an embarrassment to the United States and unfit to be president.

Trump tweets Russia probe 'hoax,' rails against Clintons

Why isn't the House Intelligence Committee looking into the Bill & Hillary deal that allowed big Uranium to go to Russia, Russian speech....
6:26 PM - 27 Mar 2017

The tweets were not the first instance in which Trump sought to blame Hillary Clinton for a deal between Russia's nuclear power agency and a Canadian company. The non-partisan fact-checking organization Politifact has rated the claim "Mostly False," citing Hillary Clinton's "lack of power to approve or reject the deal."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tweets-russia-probe-hoax-rails-clintons/story?id=46411142
 

Here's someone who contends that "blue lies" -- believing them and telling them -- is a kind of groupthink that establishes bonds among members.

https://www.salon.com/2017/03/27/th...orters-embrace-his-alternative-facts_partner/

I had never heard the term. Interesting article. But Trump lies about EVERYTHING. Sure he tell some blue lies but he also tells many many black lies. So much so I could never trust him as an ally. Trump isn't someone who lies just occasionally for the benefit of his team. No, Trump will lie about anything and very often for hardly a reason.
 
I had never heard the term. Interesting article. But Trump lies about EVERYTHING. Sure he tell some blue lies but he also tells many many black lies. So much so I could never trust him as an ally. Trump isn't someone who lies just occasionally for the benefit of his team. No, Trump will lie about anything and very often for hardly a reason.

One of the biggest stand-out symptoms of sociopathy is pathological lying. About the most stupid things.
The person who used to be my best friend was a sociopath, as I later understood. Trump is an absolutely classic case. I don't understand why that's not more widely discussed. He's in all likelyhood literally a sociopath.
 
One of the biggest stand-out symptoms of sociopathy is pathological lying. About the most stupid things.
The person who used to be my best friend was a sociopath, as I later understood. Trump is an absolutely classic case. I don't understand why that's not more widely discussed. He's in all likelyhood literally a sociopath.

People are reluctant to diagnose online. They imagine one could find some additional information if one did an in-person clinical exam. But they cannot say just what would be in said in-person exam that one could not already see with Trump's very public behavior.

More than a few experts have weighed in, however. Trump has a classic pathologic narcissistic personality disorder. However, that does not preclude being a sociopath as well.

Atlantic: Donald Trump: Sociopath?

They have the usual you can't diagnose disclaimer, but go on to discuss some of the classic signs of sociopathy in relation to Trump's behavior.
 
People are reluctant to diagnose online. They imagine one could find some additional information if one did an in-person clinical exam. But they cannot say just what would be in said in-person exam that one could not already see with Trump's very public behavior.

More than a few experts have weighed in, however. Trump has a classic pathologic narcissistic personality disorder. However, that does not preclude being a sociopath as well.

Atlantic: Donald Trump: Sociopath?

They have the usual you can't diagnose disclaimer, but go on to discuss some of the classic signs of sociopathy in relation to Trump's behavior.


Actually, NPD symptoms are prevalent in most sociopaths, i.e. in case of sociopathy that'd not be a seperate thing.

Diagnosing aside, his amount of lying and just plain antisocial behavior, after and before becoming president is unbelievable, regardless of cause.
America scares the poop out of me.
 
I'm on board with some level of sociopathy.

Most people, after making a promise or commitment, will feel something if they then need to break that promise or commitment. That thing that is felt is probably best described as "guilt".

Sociopaths seem to lack that "guilt gene". As a current example, Trumps saying he would not play golf if elected president. Once his promise had achieved its goal, it became irrelevant, and it sure seems that he's not feeling any guilt at all. He doesn't even feel a need to address it.

Not diagnosing, but as the expression goes, "It doesn't take a chicken to know a bad egg".

And I think we have a bad egg here.
 
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GAO looking into Trump's travels to Mar-A-Lago.

The scope of the inquiry will include how classified information is protected at the private club, what type of security measures are taken to screen "individuals with access to Mar-a-Lago" and what measures are in place "to ensure charges for travel-related expenses in connection with providing protection for presidential trips to Mar-a-Lago are fair and reasonable."

The government watchdog will also look into whether Trump is keeping his promise to take any profits made at his hotels from foreign governments and transfer them to the US Treasury. Trump's lawyer promised at a news conference in January that, in an effort to avoid conflict of interest, he wouldn't keep such profits.

"He is going to voluntarily donate all profits from foreign government payments made to his hotels to the United States Treasury," said Sheri Dillon, Trump's tax attorney. "This way it is the American people who will profit."
 
You've crashed and burned on this multiple times. Of course you're entitled to still hold your opinion, it's wrong but hey that's your prerogative but could you stop going on about it please. People feel they have to respond rather than leave the bilge unanswered and it just clutters threads up all over the place. We get it, you think pointing out that some of the people voting for Trump were trash (they were / are and now you have a trashy President) made lots of people decide to vote for Trump. It's arrant nonsense of course but it's your personal obsession. Fine. Just do us a favour and shut up about it. We get it. We disagree, 'cos it's rubbish, but we get it and we're sick of having to point out why it's rubbish.

I've no idea why you're so obsessed but it's all you seem to post about now. You used to be a fairly insightful poster but now you just post about this, over and over again. Give it a rest, we get it.

Stop responding to me about it then! :D

Anyway... there's this whole topic that keeps circling back. There's a message I have that isn't being heard, but that people keep saying they hear, and that I'm wrong... but what they're hearing doesn't actually seem to square with what I'm saying. So I keep trying to say it a different way.

Clinton's comment is an example of the theme. It's one that's easy to identify and point to, but it's not at the end of the day, the meat of what I'm trying to say. So let me give it another go, and I don't actually give a poop about Clinton here.

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Me: Hey {liberals} - telling a bunch of people that you think they are horrible awful people, insisting that they're worthless trash, calling them names, ,mocking and deriding them continuously, and so on... that's not a winning strategy. That doesn't win people to your viewpoint. It's counter productive. Stop doing it, and you'll have a much better chance at making headway.

{liberals}: You're wrong. They really are worthless trash and deserve to be mocked.

Me: You're kinda missing the point here.

{liberals}: Nuh-uh, you're just supportive of worthless trash. Don't take it so personally - I mean, nobody could possibly be offended by being called worthless trash deserving of derision unless they're actually worthless trash, right?

Me: :confused: Seriously, you're not getting this? Let me try again...


Rinse and Repeat.


NOTE: {liberals} used very loosely to represent a collective group of more or less anti-republican and rather vocal people, but not any specific person, nor an specifically identifiable ideology. I just couldn't come up with a better group term. I'm open to reasonable suggestion.
 
It is amusing to watch how desperately you avoid the simple difference.

The Democrats have not based their entire strategy on soliciting the support of the bigots.

The Republicans have.
How so? In what way have they based their strategy on soliciting support of bigots? Please point me to specifics.

That's why so many more of their supporters are bigots.
What do you continue "so many more"? On what are you basing this assessment? Please provide some specific evidence to support this, with an actual comparison between Republican Party and Democratic Party supporters.

And why the Republicans' strategy has now become one of how to placate them and keep that support.
In what way is the Republican strategy one of placating bigots? Please provide some specific evidence of this claim.

Any group is going to have some number of individuals whose beliefs are less than desirable. But when the group is busily courting members based on those beliefs they shouldn't be surprised when someone notices the difference.
Again, please provide some evidence that supports your claim that the Republican Party actively and purposefully courts bigots.
 
I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't get why anyone would trust this Lying Turd. Somebody please explain to me why they do? My father use to beat the crap out of me if I lied to him. Any punishment I might receive was 10 times worse if I lied. In his view a man's integrity was his most valuable possession. Something tells me Trump got a way with lying his whole life.
Think so?
 
Now he's not just messing with the country any more. He wants to **** up the entire planet.
No, he doesn't. At least it's not obvious he does.

He's just not particularly intelligent. He has some skills, but not the skills we'd like in an executive. He's good at spinning, but not at leading. He can keep spinning until the cows come home, but that doesn't help us out.
 
There's a message I have that isn't being heard, but that people keep saying they hear, and that I'm wrong...
Hearing and rejecting is not the same as not hearing.

but what they're hearing doesn't actually seem to square with what I'm saying. So I keep trying to say it a different way.
If you truly wish to say whatever you're saying in a different way, then I have a suggestion.

(Snipped a tendentiously imaginary conversation that could all too easily be construed as Emily's Cat "telling a bunch of people...they are horrible awful people...")

Rinse and Repeat.
My suggestion is: Your argument would be improved by more rinse and less repeat.
 
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