Merged All things Trump + Russia

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Rep Schiff is going to have his own press conference at 5PM to respond to Nunes' insanity. Hopefully he calls for an independent commission after Nunes' antics.
 
Stacko said:
Worse. Watergate didn't involve an adversarial foreign government just paranoid Nixon's machinations.
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I honestly can imagine an enormous amount of jockeying at all levels of power in anticipation of who will impose the narrative, one based on fact or on fancy. At this juncture, if buried/mishandled, it will flag the end of an era.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
But the bottom line is, Trump is POTUS and that's a disaster. Whether or not Russia gets a direct quid pro quo is background noise at this point.
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My thoughts exactly. Putin can contrast "the US in disarray" with a stable Russia under his managed democracy, and portray Trump as the US's Yeltsin.

Trump's problem is, for this to work best, Russia's involvement with the election and with Trump has to be pretty manifest to investigators. They'll deny but they've little reason to conceal.
 
Don't know if this was posted, it's 5 days old but I heard it discussed on the news today on Manafort:

Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings
But in the United States, members of the Russian elite have invested in Trump buildings. A Reuters review has found that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida, according to public documents, interviews and corporate records.

The buyers include politically connected businessmen, such as a former executive in a Moscow-based state-run construction firm that works on military and intelligence facilities, the founder of a St. Petersburg investment bank and the co-founder of a conglomerate with interests in banking, property and electronics.

People from the second and third tiers of Russian power have invested in the Trump buildings as well. One recently posted a photo of himself with the leader of a Russian motorcycle gang that was sanctioned by the United States for its alleged role in Moscow’s seizure of Crimea.
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On another front, once again, if there is nothing here, why did Spicer lie about how involved Manafort was during the campaign? Do these guys forget all those sound bites are out there?
 
Holy ******

The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton's campaign, US officials told CNN.

This is partly what FBI Director James Comey was referring to when he made a bombshell announcement Monday before Congress that the FBI is investigating the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, according to one source.

The FBI is now reviewing that information, which includes human intelligence, travel, business and phone records and accounts of in-person meetings, according to those U.S. officials. The information is raising the suspicions of FBI counterintelligence investigators that the coordination may have taken place, though officials cautioned that the information was not conclusive and that the investigation is ongoing.

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One law enforcement official said the information in hand suggests "people connected to the campaign were in contact and it appeared they were giving the thumbs up to release information when it was ready." But other U.S. officials who spoke to CNN say it's premature to draw that inference from the information gathered so far since it's largely circumstantial.
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applecorped said:
The Dem's Benghazi!!!!!!!
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No, Benghazi was a steaming load of BS from the word go. Whereas we're watching historical events here. Fasten your seat belt.

I never thought I'd say it, but maybe you should stick with the emoticons. This would spare you from posting fantastically asinine things.
 
Remember back in the early days of the Obama presidency when people like Glenn Beck constantly made allusions to Czars and Oligarchs, trying desperately to paint Obama as Stalin or something communist or Russian?

How ironic that's become.
 
seayakin said:
I was talking to my wife about some this. I wonder if the Republicans would ever consider impeaching Trump if enough Russian connections are proven. I assume yes but I am wondering how much proof would be needed before enough would support a impeachment proceeding. Right now we have heard about various circumstantial proof and serious problems with individuals connected with the campaign but it seems there has not been enough presented to decide anything further.

This of course is a hypothetical at this point.
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Enough proof to give them a very clear choice: impeach Trump or else suffer a catastrophic defeat in the midterm elections.

It could be he will be forced off the presidency before that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ator-senate-judiciary-committee-a7639341.html

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FBI’s Russian-influence probe includes a look at Breitbart, InfoWars news sites

Russia also used “trolls,” hundreds of computer operatives who pretended to be Trump supporters and posted stories or comments on the internet complimentary to Trump or disparaging to Clinton. Sources close to the inquiry said those operatives likely worked from a facility in St. Petersburg, Russia, dedicated to that tactic.

“Russian bots and internet trolls sought to propagate stories underground,” said Mike Carpenter, a former senior Pentagon official during the Obama administration whose job focused on Russia. “Those stories got amplified by fringe elements of our media like Breitbart.”

“They very carefully timed release of information to shift the news cycle away from stories that clearly hurt Mr. Trump, such as his inappropriate conduct over the years,” he said, referring to the October release of a video in which Trump bragged about grabbing women’s genitals. That event corresponded with a surge in bot-related traffic spreading anti-Clinton stories.

An additional Russian tool was the news from its prime propaganda machine, Russia Today, with a global television and digital media operation and a U.S. arm, RT America.
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Helps explain this timing:

Oct. 7, 2016 - 4:03 PM: WaPo tweets Access Hollywood video
Oct. 7, 2016 - 4:32 PM: WikiLeaks tweets first round of Podesta emails
 
Argumemnon said:
Remember back in the early days of the Obama presidency when people like Glenn Beck constantly made allusions to Czars and Oligarchs, trying desperately to paint Obama as Stalin or something communist or Russian?

How ironic that's become.
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That flags a desperately poor situation; namely, that so few citizens are even in touch with what those words, or democracy, actually mean. The only reason the right continues to use democratic language is that it needs the buzzwords that still carry positive connotation and can be misused to fire up the tribal loyalty response. The policies themselves have no honor and are disloyal. Lynch mobbing feels good, and that is quite enough for today's GOP to be in power. Sad.
 
varwoche said:
True, albeit a CT with a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Explain then why Trump flat out lied about his relationship with Putin. Why Trump flat out lied about his role in GOP platform concerning Ukraine. Why Manafort flat out lied about his/Trump role in GOP platform. Why Flynn flat out lied about his Russian contacts. Why Trump lied by omission about Flynn's contacts. Why Sessions flat out lied about his Russian contacts. Why Carter Page flat out lied about his Russian contacts. Why various campaign officials lied about Page's relationship with the campaign. Why Roger Stone flat out lied about his Russian contacts. Why Trump is pretending that Manafort was minimally involved in the campaign.

In the world I live in, the reason people lie is to conceal the truth. Can you explain these lies?

And simultaneously, Trump tosses Ukraine under the bus, defies generations of policy concerning Russia, thumbs his nose at NATO, kisses Putin's ass at every opportunity, and openly encourages Russia to persist with their meddling.

This is not the entirety of the circumstantial evidence mind you.
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And do you want to explain why democrats focus not on this, but on a fantasy they concocted about Russia directly influencing the US elections? The media issuing click bait headlines that were refuted by intel? Im not saying all of your concerns of the matter are invalid. But for all of the ridicule over things like Trump accusing the Obama administration spying on Trump Tower, they seem to have some kind of information ehich had to come from somewhere. I'm disgusted with Trump as it is... the media is absolute bullcrap though undeserving of trust and justifying trumps' rhetoric concerning fake news.

The current state of politics in this country along with the press is utterly shameful
 
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Argumemnon said:
How is it a fantasy?
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I'd say it's pretty much historical fact that they at least tried to do so. The question is, how involved was the Trump campaign, and Trump himself?

ETA: Although, I believe Grizzly Bear is trying to create a semantic deflection using the word "directly".
 
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uke2se said:
I'd say it's pretty much historical fact that they at least tried to do so.
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Yes, and it's quite a useless bit of nitpicking to claim that their actual, known attempt at affecting the US elections didn't have any effect whatsoever. Of course it did. That's influence. And even if it didn't, they still tried, which counts as an attack, one in which the question is now: did Trump and his people assist them?
 
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